[Info-vax] Anyone interested in another public access system

yyyc186 yyyc186 at hughes.net
Mon Apr 6 22:22:26 EDT 2009


On Apr 6, 6:59 pm, Michael Kraemer <M.Krae... at gsi.de> wrote:
>
> > One has to understand
> > these things to understand how Unix proliferated.  One has to also
> > understand that corporations can murder tens of thousands without CEOs
> > or the board of directors going to prison (think DOW Chemical and
> > Bopal, Caremark and two rounds of killing off hemophiliacs (first from
> > known HIV tainted source blood, second from China production facility
> > having a sideline of industrial waste disposal))
>
> And what exactly has this to do with clustering, records, Unix, VMS ?

The decision of "what to use" gets made by these people, not the
people who understand what is needed.  They only care about cutting
costs and avoiding prison.

>
> > As a business back end, Unix/Linx are a crime against humanity.
> > Without the concept of a record integrated in the OS kernel, you
> > cannot create an integrated lock manager.  Without an integrated
> > distributed lock manager you cannot create an integrated distributed
> > transaction manager.  Without an integrated distributed transaction
> > manager, you cannot cluster.  Period.
>
> May I bring to your attention that probably 99+x % of business'
> have no use for that ?
>

May I bring to your attention that the vast majority of business
actually do need that functionality, they are just crossing their
fingers and hoping the combination of lawyers and insurance can keep
them out of prison if management doesn't already own a home in a
country without extradition treaties.

>
>
> > Cheaper isn't better, it's simply cheaper.
>
> Often enough, cheaper *is* better.

Tell that to RBS.  The largest penetration publicly identified to
date.  Nice Unix shop.  $8 million and counting last I looked at the
total.

There are a lot of companies who don't believe they need such things.
As P.T. Barnum said, born every minute.  Let's look back to 9/11.  All
of those companies running HP/UX, Windows, Linux and various Unix
flavors in the Twin Towers.  Yes, they had hot sites, cold sites and
business interruption plans in place.  When the towers came down, not
only was there a complete loss of the location and human life, most of
those companies lost every transaction which had happened that
morning.  Then we read about the firm which was running an OpenVMS
cluster spread across multiple locations.  Not only did they still
have every transaction, they continued trading to the end of the
business day, despite the loss of human life and tragedy.

Now, we are in the Internet era.  An era where any business run
correctly would demand a cluster to ensure all orders get accepted and
processed.  Instead, we have people trying to skate by with Unix/Linux
on blades, virtual machines, and load distribution.  What happens when
the blade processing your order crashes?  Sucks to be you.  Don't
expect to find a record of it either.  Oh well, you'll just get ticked
and purchase from a competitor.  So will the 8-12 others which had
orders being processed by the blade running all of those virtual
machines.

Instead of correct design and valid engineering concepts, decision
makers employ the "disposable swarm" theory.  Customer satisfaction
and regulatory compliance don't rank in the top 1000 when it comes to
their decision criteria.




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