[Info-vax] Anyone interested in another public access system

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On Apr 7, 7:14 am, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>
> You mean they can't cluster like VMS does.  People keep bringing up
> things VMS does that Unix doesn't and think that makes Unix somehow
> deficient.  And yet, VMS is dying and Unix is thriving.  Go figure.
>

VMS is dying because Ken Olsen made the mistake of letting MBAs into a
company which had been run by engineers and in the 80s was shoving IBM
out of shops right and left.  Then the MBAs got involved.  They made
beautiful decisions:

1)  Let's not ship a FORMAT program with the RainBow because we want
to sell preformatted floppies at $5.00 each instead of letting owners
buy 0.50 floppies and format themselves.
2)  Let's not sell this MicroPDP with RSTS/E for $5000.  Just look at
all of the full sized PDPs we wouldn't be able to unload if we did
that.  Don't you know their prices start at $250,000
3)...Where do you start counting on the VAX side???  There were soooo
many business blunders.


Each time VMS got new owners they wanted to completely drop it to get
rid of serious competition.  Each time they found out about defense
and other government contracts which would send them to prison if they
did what they wanted.

Unix on the other hand, rolled into colleges for free and was
installed on discarded hardware.  Colleges started teaching on the
"free stuff" and turned out students that were worthless unless you
let them work on the same worthless platform they learned on.  At that
time, there was still a tiny shred of ethics and morals in upper
management, so commercial Unix distros made tons of money while
companies were picking the low hanging fruit of unemployable college
graduates.

Ethics and morals have long since been purged from upper management on
a global scale.  Now they could care less about things like
responsability, corrupted data, security, or customer satisfaction.
They throw up whatever they throw up, disregard customer complaints,
and rely on "corrupted data" to protect them from the criminal
indictments.

VMS isn't dying because it wasn't the correct tool for the job, it is
dying because people who know enough to understand it don't work for
$10/day.


> >                     There are many out there in the marketing world
> > commiting both wire and mail fraud each and every day with their
> > marketing shpeal, but it is is criminal fraud none-the-less.
>
> Which has what to do with why Unix is successful and VMS is dying?
>
> > The closest the Unix world _ever_ got to clustering was the clustering
> > provided by True64 and even that still wasn't clustering.  
>
> So, what?  Are you saying all this computer crime is because Unix doesn't
> do VMS Clustering?
>
> >                                                            It created
> > an animal which was shunned by both worlds, yet that animal was still
> > better than that half completed Unix variant put out by HP.
>
> And still Unix thrives in an industry that has resioundingly rejected
> VMS.  Go figure.
>
> bill
>
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