[Info-vax] Anyone interested in another public access system

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <4uadnY8JteJg10DUnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d at giganews.com>,
	"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> writes:
> David J Dachtera wrote:
>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> In article <49D6D457.A96B7D25 at spam.comcast.net>,
>>>         David J Dachtera <djesys.no at spam.comcast.net> writes:
>>>> [snip]
>>>> Need I go on?
>>> No, when your measure of modern computing is whatever is VMS-style
>>> I guess anything that isn't VMS is deficient. 
>> 
>> What would you prefer as a "gold standard" against which to measure?
>> 
>> Windows?
>> 
>> (MS-)DOS?
>> 
>> CP/M?
>> 
>> TRSDOS?
>> 
>>> So, how much longer
>>> than Unix is VMS going to be around?  Forgetting all measures except
>>> delivering what the custome needs and wants, which is mnore successful?
>> 
>> It Depends. Define "success".
>> 
>>> How many times do you need to be told that Unix is adaptable enough that
>>> pretty much any of the things you mentioned could have been (and still
>>> could be) added except that Unix users don't see them as something to
>>> be bothered about.
>> 
>> Probably until they actually come about. Are you volunteering?
>> 
>>>> I've no way to know whether there is any hope of ever getting any new
>>>> blood in OpenVMS engineering, but I'm hoping someone, somewhere, perhaps
>>>> in VMS V10.0-1 will solve the "fork()" problem and in doing so solve
>>>> many of the incompatibilities between UN*X and VMS, perhaps even merge
> 
> What would you do with fork() in VMS if you had it?  If you want it, why 
> not just run Unix?

I really don't care.  But people here are always clamoring about why
some Open Source gadget or another isn't ported to VMS and it frequently
comes down to lack of a Unix compatable fork().  I do run Unix.  My
bosses had me dump the last VMS machine here about two years ago.  I
kept VMS in this academic program as long as I could, but when it has
nothing considered of value to offer and the resources required to
keep it around are much higher than any others, and it has only one
advocate, what would you expect.

bill

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