[Info-vax] FTP sesion against a vms server fails

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In article <prudnRdIQchxiObXnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d at giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> writes:
>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> In article <6r6dnWu9I9LNdOfXnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d at giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> writes:
>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>> In article <65142276-f7fa-4d10-9305-e6ab9abeb3f2 at v20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, John Wallace <johnwallace4 at yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>>>>> On Aug 6, 5:16=A0am, moro... at world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I have also noticed some FTP funniness with VMS (V8.3 Alpha). =A0On my LA=
>>>>> N
>>>>>> (all systems 100BT), FTP from one PC running XP works, but is very slow. =
>>>>> =A0
>>>>>> From another PC running XP, it runs at normal speed. =A0In each case the =
>>>>> FTP
>>>>>> client is the basic simple Windows client (DOS window->ftp). =A0Since I
>>>>>> rarely FTP from the "slow" system, I haven't investigated further.
>>>>> Based on experience (rather than evidence), stuff like that is often
>>>>> down to physical layer issues - autonegotiate mismatch, duplex
>>>>> mismatch, speed mismatch, etc. Either genuine hardware issues or maybe
>>>>> just driver misbehaviour. Either way, a $10 network card might help
>>>>> quickly identify where the problem lies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to the OP though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wireshark (formerly Ethereal) is a wonderful tool for knowing what's
>>>>> been happening in IP packet terms on a PC. If I recall correctly some
>>>>> VMS IP stacks have their own packet-trace facilities too.
>>>>>
>>>>> A log of the packet exchange between PC and VMS system would allow
>>>>> folks to be making evidence-based suggestions rather than the educated
>>>>> guesses we're getting so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, a less ambiguous problem description might be helpful. I *think*
>>>>> the ftp failure problem summary is:
>>>>> pc1 -> vms1 : ftp fails
>>>>> pc1 -> vms2 : ftp fails (identically?)
>>>>> vms1 -> vms2 : ftp OK
>>>>>
>>>>> To date, the definition of "fails" unfortunately does not include the
>>>>> exact commands issued and the exact results they generated, or any VMS
>>>>> OPCOM output which might potentially be relevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best suggestion I've seen so far is VAXman's request to use telnet to
>>>>> manually drive ftp and note the exact results, though later on, the
>>>>> same logic VAXman uses to deduce that the problem must be in MS
>>>>> territory ("VMS ftp always works for me so the problem must be
>>>>> Windows") is the same logic most folks would normally use to point the
>>>>> finger at VMS in this picture ("Windows ftp always works for me so the
>>>>> problem must be VMS").
>>>> Take a glance back at the introductory thread and I believe that there
>>>> was a statement that other FTPs to the VMS system work.  Yup...
>>>>
>>>> 	When I open an ftp sesion from a Windows PC to a vms machine
>>>> 	it fails. It is stack endlessly.  Trying to work against another
>>>> 	VMS machine brings the same result. Other protcols like telnet ,
>>>> 	ping work fine. Trying to open a sesion from another VMS machine
>>>> 	works fine. 
>>>>
>>>> So, if the server responds for other FT clients, I would decude that the
>>>> problem lies with WEENDOZE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "decude"????  Maybe you should use a spelling checker!!
>>>
>>> Did you mean "conclude"???
>>> Or "decide"???
>> 
>> Deduce.  If we're going to pick fun at handicaps like my dyslexia,
>> I can find other forums in which to bide my time.
>> 
>
>Help stamp out dylsexia!
>
>And a spelling checker really does help!  For VMS there used to be the 
>Vassar spelling checker; just don't rely on the spellings that students 
>added to the dictionary!!  I've lost all respect for Vassar! ;-)

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