[Info-vax] You Got To Pick A Pocket Or Two Boys!

[Richard Maher]

Hi Arne,

"Arne Vajhøj" <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote in message
news:4a690785$0$48246$14726298 at news.sunsite.dk...
> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> > Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >> Using FastCGI to reduce activation overhead is not exactly new.
> >
> > No, it's not. But it wasn't used by the the gSOAP/VMS kit.
> > There are examples of running as an "module" within
> > Apache, and as far as I understand using FastCGI is
> > quite similar to that. And I prefer WASD over the Apache
> > port.
>
> FastCGI and Apache module are different but solves the same
> problem.
>
> Apache modules run code in process, FastCGI is a persistent
> separate process used for multiple requests. Both reduce
> activation overhead.

Let's hope Mark was more concerned about solving the 1:1 process/thread per
client conundrum in this case than he was with his long-polling "server-push
my arse!" paradigm. Still the system developers and architects don't seem to
concern themselves with such trivia so why should the users/customers care?
(Having said that, one has to wonder why more people simply don't use the
lovely free INETd that's been there since year dot but, now that IPsec has
been cancelled, I guess everyone would have to put their own outdated SSL
wrapper around things :-( Another machiavellian master-stroke by the IMM
team!)

Still you guys are really pushing-the-envelope with this "not having to
start a fresh process for every request" stuff! Might not be too late for
that patent application. Best put another one in for not having to
start/stop an image for each request either - All good stuff.

I wonder if all the other OSes know how we're splitting-atoms here in
VMS-Labs? Cut-off on our own little technological Galapagos, without
IPsec or a Firewall capability, we are free to evolve/mutate at our own
pace - just like Tasmania.
>
> >> Hm.
> >>
> >> Are gSOAP for VMS being done by HP ??
> >
> > Not up to today.
>
> So none of Richard VMS license money has been used so far.

Yes children, it's all done in their "free-time" (God knows they've got
enough of it!). On their own machines, with their own licenses, at their own
premises, with no access to a hit-list of customers to harass and spam on
their own phones and HP letter-headed e-mails. Yes you should see their
weekly HP timesheets - no doubt packed full of 40, sometimes 60, minutes of
billable work.

Jan-Erik I'm not sure who "the maintainer of gSOAP/VMS" is but, if Fagin
ever stops bitch-slapping him long enough to answer a question, why don't
you ask young Dodger "In what year was Tier3 first demo'd up and running on
Digital's premises?" I make it 1995 but my memory's not what it used to be.
Anyway let's recap on what we've seen come and go in that time shall we: -

ONC/RPC, DCE/RPC, BridgeWorks, SOAP/Toolkit, DECAdmire, ACMSxp. And for a
few years now the long suffering VMS customers have been told to invest in
Axis2 and WSIT 'cos that's where HP/VMS is investing all its efforts. Yet
here we are confronted with what appears to be HP/VMS employees deliberately
sinking the knife into Axis2 - What's a customer meant to think? Devil makes
work for idle hands I suppose. Still, if I had been reliably tipped-off
about a genuine customer requirement 14 years ago and I then got to witness
pathetic alternative solutions fall by the wayside one-by-one then I might
start to cotton-on too.

Alas, imagining where Tier3 and VMS could be now in the IT world given just
1% of what's been squandered by these failed projects is as painful as
wondering how prosperous that hunch-back in Manon des Sources would've been
if those two poisonous bastards hadn't blocked up the spring :-(

And just when you think it couldn't get any worse, you'll find no comfort in
the knowledge that the demonstrably incompetent fools that have been
masquarading as VMS management for the last 15 - 20 years are not only still
on the payroll, they're still making the decisions :-o

Why were all those VMS engineers with 20+ years of OS kernel development
sacked again?
>
> >                   But as far as I understand it will be
> > (more) officialy supported by HP/VMS soon. gSOAP is in
> > VMS roadmap now (FWIW). This is of course an important
> > issue for some sites/customers, included the one I'm
> > working with.

Excellent Jan-Erik! How much are they willing to pay for support? Just how
"important" is it to them? This could be the turning point for HP/VMS;
another Red Hat perhaps?

Hold on Arne! I can't find this statement in here anywhere:  "You have so
far not been able to show a single dollar in extra revenue by implementing
gSOAP.". Go get him Arne - put the kybosh on Jan-Erik and his gSOAP! Go on
show us your integrity, your honesty, and sense of balanced, fair play. . .

How about "Implementing SOAP on platform X being profitably does not imply
implementing SOAP on platform Y being profitably."?

>
> But will now, when there are real customers wanting it.

This is all gravy Arne, not only can HP/VMS reap the new income stream from
gSOAP customers like Jan-Eriks but just think of the costs saved by
cancelling the presumably unwanted Axis2 and WSIT products. You guys are
definitely onto something here!

Yes indeed, how many millions of VMS license-payer dollars (including my
USD$200/year :-) has been, again presumably, wasted on this
"Industry-Standard Middleware"? What is it that gSOAP does that Axis2
doesn't Arne? Is there more to this than an anti-Apache coallition?

It would be inconceivable that some HP/VMS employees would set out for years
deliberately white-anting what are ostensibly their coleagues projects for
no other reason than to manufacture a job for themselves - wouldn't it?

And as the scorpion's tail of self-interest once again pierces as deeply as
ever into the side of the VMS frog, the river bank looks further and further
away :-(
>
> Arne

Cheers Richard Maher

PS. Is this where we all say "Take what you can! Give nothin' back!" or
would that be a mixed-metaphor/movie too far?

PPS. I see there's now PHP_SOAP available. You just can't have too many of
these things. 4 browsers and now at least 4 SOAP implementations; "You're in
the money, You're in the money, You've gotta lotta what it takes to get
along".