[Info-vax] Seasons Greetings

[Richard Maher]

Hi Bill,

"Bill Gunshannon" <billg999 at cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message
news:6s6lerF4fvhiU1 at mid.individual.net...
> In article <495c3477$0$90271$14726298 at news.sunsite.dk>,
> Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> writes:
> > Main, Kerry wrote:
> >> Yep, I still maintain there is going to be a return to the basics as
> >> Companies can no longer afford grandiose SOA / "latest rip-n-replace
> >> craze of the month" distributed programming strategy developed by the
> >> analyst / university / whoever theorists.
> >
> > Companies can not afford not to do SOA. It is pretty expensive not
> > to reuse.
>
> And you can't reuse without SOA?  I thought "re-use" was the Ada buzzword,
> not the SOA buzzword.

I believe you're meant to forget about RPC, Sockets, MOM , or any other kind
of middleware when discussing SOA. Java and SOAP is the order of the day
with even RESTful services shunned by the purists.

>
> >
> > SOA is most definitely not about replacing systems. You could argue
> > that SOA is about not replacing systems.
>
> Well, when you re-write all your COBOL in Java, sure sounds like replacing
> to me.

It's worse than that Bob! They're talking bollocks-lancing encapsulation
(Java or C) of you COBOL code :-(

>
> >
> > Distributed environments is a reality today. And it is not going
> > to go away tomorrow.

Which mandates SOA (or in your case Java/SOAP) for what reason?
>
> Let's see, I still have the newspaper article with my picture in it when
> the place I was working went to "Distributed data Processing".  That was
> 1981.  Since then, they have gone centralized, gone back to distributed,
> gone back to centralized and are now back distributed.  May not go away,
> but it will definitely change.
>
> >
> > SOA is not a university thing. They still do OCAML, Haskell and
> > similar - SOA is practical thing.
>
> Well, I recently visited another education site I used to work at.  We
> use Banner where I am today (it replaced in house applications on an
> IBM mainframe).  I asked if they used Banner.  I found the answer to be
> rather interesting as it was 180 degrees away from my current employer.
> They looked at Banner and chose not to for exactly the reasons I have
> a;ways been against any of these canned programs.  No flexibility.  Where
> I am now they shove a package at you and tell you to change the way you
> do things to match the programs capabilities.  Now that's what I call
> user friendly.  This former locations writes applications based on user
> defined requirements.  Care to bet which one is paying more for their
> system and its maintenance?  Oh yeah, at my current location, since
> dumping their locally written systems in favor of canned packages the
> programming staff has more than tripled.  Tell me again how all this
> new stuff is more economical.
>
> >
> > Typical SOA advocates have 10-25 years of experience.
>
> Somehow, I find that very hard to believe.

Certainly has not been my experience either.

Cheers Richard Maher

>
> bill
>
>
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