[Info-vax] "Shanghai Stock Exchange" and OpenVMS

[Richard B. Gilbert]

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <os6dnXHC9-hiWBzUnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d at giganews.com>,
> 	"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> writes:
>> How about because: in the beginning there was AT&T unix.  AT&T gave a 
>> copy to the Computer Science Department at Berkeley!  The comp sci 
>> students wrote their own versions of things and added entirely new 
>> things; and then there was Berkeley Unix (BSD).
> 
> Actually, if you compare BSD to the AT&T Unixes that preceded it you
> will find that they stuck pretty much to the same design philosophy.
> Put files in the same places, used the same or similar names, kept
> the same option sets.  it is not until AT&T came out with SYSV that
> the change occurs and, as I said earlier, it was most likely because
> of a desire to set themselves apart from the previous versions of
> Unix when AT&T decided they wanted to play commercial Unix.  They
> failed, but sadly, all the proprietary Unixes to follow choose to
> emulate SYSV rather than the much more successful and widespread BSD.
> 
>> For the last thirty-five or forty years these two versions and their 
>> descendants have been exchanging genetic material in ways that would 
>> make a stock breeder blush!
> 
> Yeah, go back and look at the infamous Unix Lawsuit.  There was more
> BSD copyrighted code in AT&T Unix than vice versa.
> 
>> Every vendor has to make his Unix somehow "better" than the others which 
>> mean that things get rewritten and things get added.  Sometimes things 
>> got fixed.  Usually something else got broken.  Unix was never 
>> "designed" it just grew!
> 
> I don't agree.  there was an underlying paradigm to all of Unix.  Sadly,
> many of the people playing Unix guru today have abandoned that pardigm
> giving us very un-Unixlike Unix systems.
> 
>>>>> Someone at work showed me a website which reformmated the man pages
>>>>> into something much easier to read. Can't be just me who finds the
>>>>> original man pages visually difficult to read.
>> You're not the only one.  But tradition is a powerful force!
> 
> Sorry, I have never had a problem with them.  They are terse and to the
> point. But then I also lerned Pascal by reading Wirth's "User Manual and
> Report".
> 
>>>>> Also, I find English words much more intuitive and actually mostly, if
>>>>> not partly, self explanatory.
>> Use VMS then.  I do!  I also use Solaris 8, Solaris 9, Solaris 10, and 
>> Red Hat Linux.  Sometimes a task is more easily done on one of these 
>> than on VMS.   Sometimes the reverse is true.
>>
>> I'll continue to use the tools that get the job done with a minimum of 
>> effort (and collateral damage) whatever their origin.
>>
>>>> Once again, matter of opinion. And really rather Anglo-centric, don't
>>>> you think?  So, then, how useful was VMS in Germany or France?
>> Did you ever think that perhaps there is a German version of VMS?  
> 
> None that I am aware of.  perhaps one of our German readers will jump
> in here and clarify that for us.
> 
>>                                                                   One 
>> that speaks to the natives in their own barbarous tongue?  I'm pretty 
>> sure that there is a Japanese version of VMS that types Nihongo in kata 
>> kana.  Likewise, German, French, Italian, Hebrew, Arabic. . . .  Would 
>> you believe any language that there is a sufficient market for?  (There 
>> are something like 7,000 known human languages, some of them spoken by 
>> only a few dozen people.  It's not possible to support them all but I 
>> suspect that most of the major languages are supported.  I doubt that HP 
>> would support 700 languages, let alone 7,000 but I have no trouble 
>> imagining a dozen or two of the major languages.
> 
> Actually, I just went to the HP Documentation site.  If you go to
> OpenVMS Docs there is a table on the side with other languages listed.
> If you click on any language other than English all you get is HPUX
> documentation.  Looks like it's English or nothing for VMS.
> 
> bill
> 

On their English language web site, I wouldn't really expect to find the 
  German or French documentation.