[Info-vax] OT: Elephants Can't Dance

[Arne Vajhøj]

johnwallace4 at yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On Mar 1, 9:04 pm, Michael Austin <maus... at firstdbasource.com> wrote:
>> sapienzaf wrote:
>>> Here's my point about Oracle buying OpenVMS being a bad thing.
>> <snip>
>>> I also don't think Oracle needs or wants to be an operating system
>>> company.  They seem to be quite comfortable with a multi-platform
>>> database and associated applications.
>> Ummmmm, you might want to rethink this statement given that they now are
>> actively developing and support Oracle Enterprise Linux.  Granted, they
>> stole it from RedHat, but they have stated they are in that business for
>> the foreseeable future - as evidenced by the use of this in their
>> Exadata server (similar paradigm to the Niteeza and Teradata).  The
>> hardware is currently only available from HP but, again, the underlying
>> OS is OEL.
>>
>> BTW, you are aware that the CRS (Cluster-Ready-Services) in 10gRAC
>> **IS** the cluster manager from VMS (via Tru64)... ???
>>
>> As for previous discussions about the cross-pollenization of RDB/RDBMS,
>> I have seen a LOT of features from Rdb slowly make their way into the
>> RDBMS product.  CBO, partitioning, in 11g - meta-data versioning,
>> Locally managed tablespaces (they use the same RDBMS terms, but in
>> reality it is the Rdb storage area management.  Initially when Rdb was
>> sold to Oracle, they were talks of merging the two products into one
>> BEST-IN-CLASS product.  AFTER the deal was "done" they realized and
>> stated that such a merger would be 15-20 year project.  We are at year
>> 14 in that timeline.  RDBMS STILL does not have the means to do
>> near-realtime instance/database monitoring like RMU/SH STATS...  If they
>>   did, they would wipe out many of those "after-market" tools like I3
>> that sort-of does this.. then we could replace those
>> horrendous-performing "scripts" to try and figure out the same stuff...
> 
> What does "**IS** the cluster manager from VMS (via Tru64)" mean? VMS
> doesn't have (or need) a cluster manager as such, it's all kind of
> "built in" wherever it makes sense.

It does not matter whether it a very separate component or completely
integrated.

It is still some code.

The completely integrated code is just more work to pull out. But
obviously that problem has been solved.

Arne