[Info-vax] Ctrl-Ecf

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In article <DeXpm.11384$U5.152000 at newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com> writes:
>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> In article <N4Vpm.11379$U5.152003 at newsb.telia.net>,
>> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
>> writes:
>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>> In article <4aa7f16e$0$83243$e4fe514c at news.xs4all.nl>, Robin
>>>> Schipper <"thespriteman <remove_this> writes:
>>>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG schreef:
>>>>>> WTF?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Read only - use Ctrl-Ecf for console write access.]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ctrl-E and [c] and [f]?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> <ctrl>+<e> <c> <f>
>>>>> 
>>>>> no capitals,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck.
>>>> OK.  That doesn't jive with  CTRL-e c f.  Regardless, it doesn't 
>>>> work.
>>>> 
>>>> CTRL is a modifier key AFAIAC.  It doesn't typically function as a
>>>> key value by itself.  According to the console help:
>>>> 
>>>> | Executing CO command from the main MP menu provides a mirrored
>>>> version of the | OS console.  All users connected to the console see
>>>> the same output. Verify | that all mirrored consoles are of the same
>>>> terminal type for proper | operation. Only one of the mirrored users
>>>> at a time has write access to the | console. Any user can get write
>>>> access to the console, by typing CTRL-e c f | (not CTRL-e CTRL-c
>>>> CTRL-f).  Write access is retained until another user | requests
>>>> console write access.
>>>> 
>>>> I read that as: CTRL-E, lowercase letter key [c], followed by
>>>> lowercase letter key [f].
>>>> 
>>>> No matter what I enter, I get:
>>>> 
>>>> [Read only - use Ctrl-Ecf for console write access.]
>>>> 
>>>> returned.
>>> There is no cntl-upperacese-E. <shift>e = "E". <cntl> is just another
>>> key to shift (zeroing a few bits in the ASCII) to make the ASCII
>>> control character "ENQ". There is no normal way to enter <cntl>E...
>> 
>> I don't give a shit what goes in the stupid WEENDOZE/PeeCee realm.
>
>Of course. Windows (note the spelling) has nothing to do with this.

Sure it does.   Its lookie-feelie reminds me of that piece-of-shit that was
WEENDOZE 3.1 and its graphics.


>ASCII comes from the first VT terminals (which I would have guessed
>that you knew).
>
>> A CTRL-E is and has always been 0x05 AFAIAC whether the shift key is
>> depressed or not.
>
>Yes, that's how it usualy works on most kayboards.

I've never used kayboard.  The point is, that the normal, not brain-damaged
from years of WEENDOZE use, user would assume CTRL-E is CTRL-E, regardless
of the state of the shift key.
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