[Info-vax] Same DEC different day :-(

[Richard Maher]

Hi Bill,

> I do not place John Apps' and Brett Cameron's efforts in the above
> statement.  The efforts they have made are directed exactly at the
> right style and technique.

I have to say that my technique can always use a bit of work, and I'm coming
round to your way of thinking, so I'm more than happy to give this a go.

Please send me whatever your mates are currently troughing from the VMS
license-payer cornucopia and I'll start porting all the freeware you like.
Hell, I'll even take half! (Or do I normally just pick something that
interests me and/or tickles my fancy?) You're definitely on to something
here Bill, once you start paying the talented developers out there VMS
community to deliver your Freeware, you're gonna be up to your bottom lip in
bootcamp-fodder before you know it!

Oh hold on, I don't want to be ham-strung here. Better throw in that office,
the servers, unlimited licenses, and most importantly that confidential list
of customer contacts that I can hit-up later. (The HP/VMS internal support
mechanisms could be useful also, and letter-heads/business-cards are a
must!) I take it that, with no formal project, the deliverables schedule is
a tad flexible?

You don't have to fly me round the world to give autographs like the others
Bill, but I do have my fan base so it might just be in your interests?
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Honestly how this sort of shit can go on while long-serving treasures like
Ruth Gothenburg, Andy Goldstein, Christian Moser, and John Reagan can be
deemed too expensive just turns my stomach!

Long live DEC! - "Whatever they feel like doing, whenever they fucking feel
like it :-("

Regards Richard Maher

"BillPedersen" <pedersen at ccsscorp.com> wrote in message
news:c2539e74-915e-4306-8ffd-6b17af33d48c at i4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 1, 5:36 am, "Richard Maher" <maher... at hotspamnotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I wouldn't want HP/VMS to have the excuse to delay Axis2/C any longer due
to
> some half-arsed amateur hour effort.
>
> Personally, I'd much prefer the Axis2/C port to live with the Axis2/JAVA
> team. (If such a team exists obviously)
>

This waiting on HP or Compaq or DEC to have done something timely and
intelligent with an open source product is what I see as a major issue
in the OpenVMS Community.  It goes contrary to the ideas and
techniques of the Open Source Community. Waiting for the vendor to do
something with a given open source product and then expecting that
vendor to maintain it and keep it current is contrary to the methods
and philosophy of open source.

I can think of no open source product/application taken on by OpenVMS
which has kept current and been successful.

I do not place John Apps' and Brett Cameron's efforts in the above
statement.  The efforts they have made are directed exactly at the
right style and technique.

The OpenVMS Community needs to open themselves to the involvement and
style of Open Source.  They need to move forward themselves rather
than waiting for OpenVMS Engineering or OpenVMS Marketing or someone
else at HP with some relationship to OpenVMS doing it for them.  The
applications and products will continue to be stale and the
engineering resources we need to have concentrated on OpenVMS will
continue to be diluted.

OpenVMS Engineering needs to come around to this as well.  They can
not be the gatekeepers for all on OpenVMS.  They need to figure out
how to work with the Community on the open source front.  They have
not embraced this in the past and this has only delayed the efforts of
both open source but other features people are looking for in
OpenVMS.  How long have people been begging for IPsec in TCP/IP or
instance?

Wait if you want but the OpenVMS User Community needs to come together
if they want to see these things happen.

Bill.