[Info-vax] OT: Rob Short: Operating System Evolution

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In article <keqdnQhK2NVppNzWnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d at giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> writes:
>John Wallace wrote:
>> On Jan 2, 1:16 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>> In article <NN2dnTzv5dZFCKPWnZ2dnUVZ_jedn... at giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net> writes:
>>>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>>>> In article <THs%m.3839$Gf3.3... at newsfe22.iad>, "John Vottero" <JVott... at mvpsi.com> writes:
>>>>>>> <VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:00A96DAF.7B635EAD at SendSpamHere.ORG...
>>>>>>>> In article <CR6%m.10040$0U1.5... at newsfe16.iad>, "John Vottero"
>>>>>>>> <JVott... at mvpsi.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>> "Michael Kraemer" <M.Krae... at gsi.de> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:hhcfhb$6hu$00$1 at news.t-online.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Arne Vajhøj schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>>> MS is just another company trying to make as much money as possible.
>>>>>>>>>> There are ethical and unethical ways to make money.
>>>>>>>>>> It is (almost) always M$ that forces proprietary
>>>>>>>>>> formats.
>>>>>>>>> Are you suggesting that is is unethical to create proprietary systems?
>>>>>>>>> Doesn't that make OpenVMS unethical?
>>>>>>>> If that's its definition, then WEENDOZE is very much unethical.
>>>>>>>> I still fail to understand how people mistake ubiquity with openness.
>>>>>>> I agree!  Windows and OpenVMS are both proprietary operating systems which
>>>>>>> is one of the attributes that makes them GOOD!
>>>>>> You mean, it's the attribute that makes one of them good.  WEENDOZE can
>>>>>> never be considered good; not even poor!  Crap is the proper adjective
>>>>>> to describe WEENDOZE.
>>>>> You are living in the past Brian!  W/XP is quite usable and I have been
>>>>> using it for several years now.  W/2K wasn't all that bad either.  I ran
>>>>> Windows 2.x so I know what "bad" *IS*!!
>>>> Even the newest version -- WEENDOZE 7 Deadly Sins -- looks cheese on the
>>>> few I've checked out at the Staples, Best Buys, etc.  You'd think that a
>>>> company with all that money could and would hire at least one decent art-
>>>> ist to make its product not look pale next to Super Mario Brothers.
>>> Picky, picky, picky!  I don't use Windows for it's looks.  I use it to
>>> read my mail and newsgroups.  Sometimes I even send mail.  Once a month
>>> I print checks to pay my bills.
>>>
>>> What, for example, is Windows going to do with e-mail that has a
>>> photograph as an attachment?  That's right! It will display the text and
>>> the photograph!  What will VMS do with the same message?  It *might*
>>> succeed in rendering the text.  The photograph?  Forget it!
>>>
>>> If I want to do some programming I crank up Reflection 4
>>> (VT-100/200/300/400/etc. emulation) and connect to my VAX or Alpha
>>> systems.  I have a real VT-510 terminal but I seldom use it for
>>> anything; the PC and Reflection is a lot more convenient.
>> 
>> "What is VMS going to do with email that has a picture in it?"
>> 
>> How soon we forget.
>> 
>> My recollection is that DEC invented Compound Document Architecture in
>> the mid 1990s. CDA applications supported embedded pictures (and other
>> embedded documents, even including multimedia). When properly
>> implemented, the documents could be displayed (and edited) as
>> graphical documents on a workstation (VMS or DEC UNIX), or in the
>> absence of a workstation there would be some fall-back format suitable
>> for display (or processing) as simple character-oriented stuff.
>> 
>But it didn't ship with the O/S.  It was an add on at substantial extra 
>cost.  Windows has the capability natively!

WEENDOZE didn't have native email capability -- at least, nothing I ever
found.  

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