[Info-vax] OT: Rob Short: Operating System Evolution

[Richard B. Gilbert]

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article <0MadncSb-oMSld_WnZ2dnUVZ_jhi4p2d at giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> writes:
>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> In article <keqdnQhK2NVppNzWnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d at giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> writes:
>>>> John Wallace wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 2, 1:16 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <NN2dnTzv5dZFCKPWnZ2dnUVZ_jedn... at giganews.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net> writes:
>>>>>>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <THs%m.3839$Gf3.3... at newsfe22.iad>, "John Vottero" <JVott... at mvpsi.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>> <VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:00A96DAF.7B635EAD at SendSpamHere.ORG...
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <CR6%m.10040$0U1.5... at newsfe16.iad>, "John Vottero"
>>>>>>>>>>> <JVott... at mvpsi.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Kraemer" <M.Krae... at gsi.de> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:hhcfhb$6hu$00$1 at news.t-online.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arne Vajhøj schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS is just another company trying to make as much money as possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are ethical and unethical ways to make money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is (almost) always M$ that forces proprietary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> formats.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you suggesting that is is unethical to create proprietary systems?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't that make OpenVMS unethical?
>>>>>>>>>>> If that's its definition, then WEENDOZE is very much unethical.
>>>>>>>>>>> I still fail to understand how people mistake ubiquity with openness.
>>>>>>>>>> I agree!  Windows and OpenVMS are both proprietary operating systems which
>>>>>>>>>> is one of the attributes that makes them GOOD!
>>>>>>>>> You mean, it's the attribute that makes one of them good.  WEENDOZE can
>>>>>>>>> never be considered good; not even poor!  Crap is the proper adjective
>>>>>>>>> to describe WEENDOZE.
>>>>>>>> You are living in the past Brian!  W/XP is quite usable and I have been
>>>>>>>> using it for several years now.  W/2K wasn't all that bad either.  I ran
>>>>>>>> Windows 2.x so I know what "bad" *IS*!!
>>>>>>> Even the newest version -- WEENDOZE 7 Deadly Sins -- looks cheese on the
>>>>>>> few I've checked out at the Staples, Best Buys, etc.  You'd think that a
>>>>>>> company with all that money could and would hire at least one decent art-
>>>>>>> ist to make its product not look pale next to Super Mario Brothers.
>>>>>> Picky, picky, picky!  I don't use Windows for it's looks.  I use it to
>>>>>> read my mail and newsgroups.  Sometimes I even send mail.  Once a month
>>>>>> I print checks to pay my bills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What, for example, is Windows going to do with e-mail that has a
>>>>>> photograph as an attachment?  That's right! It will display the text and
>>>>>> the photograph!  What will VMS do with the same message?  It *might*
>>>>>> succeed in rendering the text.  The photograph?  Forget it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I want to do some programming I crank up Reflection 4
>>>>>> (VT-100/200/300/400/etc. emulation) and connect to my VAX or Alpha
>>>>>> systems.  I have a real VT-510 terminal but I seldom use it for
>>>>>> anything; the PC and Reflection is a lot more convenient.
>>>>> "What is VMS going to do with email that has a picture in it?"
>>>>>
>>>>> How soon we forget.
>>>>>
>>>>> My recollection is that DEC invented Compound Document Architecture in
>>>>> the mid 1990s. CDA applications supported embedded pictures (and other
>>>>> embedded documents, even including multimedia). When properly
>>>>> implemented, the documents could be displayed (and edited) as
>>>>> graphical documents on a workstation (VMS or DEC UNIX), or in the
>>>>> absence of a workstation there would be some fall-back format suitable
>>>>> for display (or processing) as simple character-oriented stuff.
>>>>>
>>>> But it didn't ship with the O/S.  It was an add on at substantial extra 
>>>> cost.  Windows has the capability natively!
>>> WEENDOZE didn't have native email capability -- at least, nothing I ever
>>> found.  
>>>
>> Outlook Express?  Maybe it's not properly called "native" but it ships 
>> with Windows.  I've seldom used it for anything.  For years I used 
>> Netscape mail and Thunderbird for the last few years.
> 
> It doesn't install with WEENDOZE.
> 

Outlook does not install with Windows.  It's a separate product. 
Outlook *Express* does install with Windows.  There's a mail client in 
there!