[Info-vax] IE8 got me too :-( Sorry Jeff.

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <4b53cdaa$0$273$14726298 at news.sunsite.dk>,
	Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> writes:
> On 14-01-2010 11:43, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> In article<TK9PAYZrZv2V at eisner.encompasserve.org>,
>> 	koehler at eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
>>> In article<7r8j3oF3qnU2 at mid.individual.net>, billg999 at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>>> Why should anyone care?
>>>
>>>     Because it costs money to pay people to make web pages compatable
>>>     with all the non-standard web browsers,
>>
>> What does it cost when they can't read your page with their browser
>> of choice and they go to another company who's web page they can
>> actually see to buy their products?
> 
> But that comparison is not very relevant.
> 
> Standard compliant code in general can be read by more people.

What?  I thought we were just told that IE and other MS products do
very non-standards things?  And it has already been demonstrated that
IE makes up the lion's share of browsers visiting the sites that
count them.

> 
>>>     And because some of us are professional programmers who believe
>>>     failure to follow standards is a sign of poor software quality.
>>
>> That is funny in a DEC group.  Ever see all the non-standard stuff
>> DEC put in their Pascal Compiler and then lobbied to to get it all
>> included inthe next standard.  In any event, especially today, too
>> many of these "standards" are ivory tower products designed and
>> pushed by people who don't have to put up with the crap we are talking
>> about here.  And chasing the next standard is not necessarily good
>> for business.  If you need to write non-standard code to make sure
>> everyone in the world can see your web page that is what needs to
>> be done to succeed.  All the standards compliance in the world does
>> no good when yur company folds because everyone bought their favorite
>> widget from your competitor.
> 
> HTML, CSS and JS DOM are very far from ivory tower models.

Really?

> 
> This is stuff that practically everyone is pushing to get
> standardized, because it will reduce cost a lot.

And where did they learn that?  From whom?  I work in academia every
day.  Trust me, they are much more interested in driving the bus than
teaching people how to ride on it.  

bill

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