[Info-vax] IE8 got me too :-( Sorry Jeff.

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 18-01-2010 08:53, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article<4b53cdaa$0$273$14726298 at news.sunsite.dk>,
> 	Arne Vajhøj<arne at vajhoej.dk>  writes:
>> On 14-01-2010 11:43, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> In article<TK9PAYZrZv2V at eisner.encompasserve.org>,
>>> 	koehler at eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
>>>> In article<7r8j3oF3qnU2 at mid.individual.net>, billg999 at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>>>> Why should anyone care?
>>>>
>>>>      Because it costs money to pay people to make web pages compatable
>>>>      with all the non-standard web browsers,
>>>
>>> What does it cost when they can't read your page with their browser
>>> of choice and they go to another company who's web page they can
>>> actually see to buy their products?
>>
>> But that comparison is not very relevant.
>>
>> Standard compliant code in general can be read by more people.
>
> What?  I thought we were just told that IE and other MS products do
> very non-standards things?  And it has already been demonstrated that
> IE makes up the lion's share of browsers visiting the sites that
> count them.
>
>>
>>>>      And because some of us are professional programmers who believe
>>>>      failure to follow standards is a sign of poor software quality.
>>>
>>> That is funny in a DEC group.  Ever see all the non-standard stuff
>>> DEC put in their Pascal Compiler and then lobbied to to get it all
>>> included inthe next standard.  In any event, especially today, too
>>> many of these "standards" are ivory tower products designed and
>>> pushed by people who don't have to put up with the crap we are talking
>>> about here.  And chasing the next standard is not necessarily good
>>> for business.  If you need to write non-standard code to make sure
>>> everyone in the world can see your web page that is what needs to
>>> be done to succeed.  All the standards compliance in the world does
>>> no good when yur company folds because everyone bought their favorite
>>> widget from your competitor.
>>
>> HTML, CSS and JS DOM are very far from ivory tower models.
>
> Really?
>
>> This is stuff that practically everyone is pushing to get
>> standardized, because it will reduce cost a lot.
>
> And where did they learn that?  From whom?  I work in academia every
> day.  Trust me, they are much more interested in driving the bus than
> teaching people how to ride on it.

They learned it the hard way by having to redo bad code when a
new browser came out.

Arne