[Info-vax] VMS on remote desktops

[FredK]

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>>> In article <ian2st$876$1 at usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "FredK"
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>>> I use mosy my Linux laptop and my Mac.  I've done plenty with 'xmodmap'
>>> for
>>> the keycode hacks.  I've worked around most of the problems using the 
>>> font
>>> server.  I access the VMS system(s) with 'ssh -X' but I've also toyed 
>>> with
>>> using 'xnest'.
>>>
>>> As for fonts, the double-high/double-wide terminal fonts always cause
>>> issue
>>> within 'xterm'.  I export $CREATE/TERMINAL for doing debugging and,
>>> without
>>> the font server, some of the line drawing stuff and, I believe, the
>>> reverse
>>> video use in the character-cell debugger cause issue.   I don't really 
>>> use
>>> any of the other GUI toys that came with CDE.  A functional terminal is
>>> all
>>> I ask for -- and which I have now with the font server.
>>>
>>
>>Thanks.  I suspect a ot of VMS people (like UNIX folks) are still mostly
>>command line types.  Care to share your xmodmap tricks?  Do you need to
>>switch back and forth between settings to use VMS-style vs UNIX/Mac style
>>input?
>
> No.  I have not problem with need to switch back and forth.  I have Linux
> on a 17" Toshiba laptop (as one example) that has a full alternate keypad.
> Since the keypak is WEENDOZE biased already, its usefulness in Linux does
> not mean all that much to me.  However, it does make VMS editing easier as
> I can approximate things like the EDT keypad.  Of course, it's crippled in
> that it has the stupidly large [+] key where DEC keyboards had [,] and [-]
> keys.
>
> !!!!!! [+] = [,]    CTRL-[+] = [-]
> keycode 86 = 0xffac            0xffad
> !!
> keycode 82 = 0xff94
> keycode 63 = 0xff93
> keycode 106 = 0xff92
> keycode 77 = 0xff91
> !!
> pointer = 3 2 1 4 5 6 7
>
> The pointer is leftie mapping for me.  Others may choose not to do this if
> they are no in their "right mind."
>
>
> On the Mac, I use the Mac full keyboard which has an alternate keypad that
> looks like the DEC LK style keyboard's alternate keypad.  I don't need any
> .Xmodmap for that.  I'm using iTerm when I'm not launching a DECterminal.
> There's a profile section where I have defined the more typical key escape
> sequences.  On the Mac, the .Xmodmap file is:
>
> keycode 79 = 0xff91
> keycode 89 = 0xff92
> keycode 83 = 0xff93
> keycode 75 = 0xff94
> keycode 77 = 0xffac
>

Thanks.  On the VMS end when you launch a DECterm - do you do any setup to 
use a specific VMS keymap file?  There are two types of keymap files for 
PC-style keyboards on VMS that normally are used when you log into CDE (you 
would have to set a logical name if you were not in CDE as the "default" 
keymap).  One type is a "VT" style where we ignore the engravings and map 
the keys positionally incuding PF1 instead of NumLock and the editing keys 
in the "right" finger positions - and the other is the "PC" style where we 
map the engravings including NumLock.