[Info-vax] More proof there are no OpenVMS sites/jobs in the DOD

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <00AA65E6.7DF99582 at sendspamhere.org>,
	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
> In article <8k55duFagkU7 at mid.individual.net>, billg999 at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>In article <00AA65DB.28C9C2D6 at sendspamhere.org>,
>>	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
>>> In article <8k500rFagkU1 at mid.individual.net>, billg999 at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>>>In article <c870b3f5-6ac8-433c-8992-3217380c24b7 at i32g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>	FrankS <sapienza at noesys.com> writes:
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/27a3akp
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, maybe I got the subject line wrong.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>There are no "DOD Hospitals".  That's the VA. And with the demise
>>>>of Cerner on VMS and the fact that the VA is currently in "a major
>>>>enterprise re-design", one has to wonder how much longer they will
>>>>remain on VMS.
>>> 
>>> There's more than Cerner in the hospital med biz.  Perhaps, the rollout
>>> of new integrity blades will be running IDX?
>>
>>Or perhaps they will be running Windows like all the hospitals around here.
>>(That were all VMS shops 20 years ago.)
>>
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that they are looking to replace or upgrade exsiting VMS
>>> systems in these hospitals.  The problem is that you need to have gov't
>>> clearance to apply.  
>>
>>What clearance are you talking about.  I just took a quick look at about
>>a dozen current vacancy announcements and none of them require a security
>>clearance.  Just the same kind of clearance you would need for a job doing
>>the same thing in most any other hospital (background check, financial
>>check, drug test, etc.)
> 
> Obviously, you didn't bother to go to the URL site posted in this link.
> You'd rather sit there and badmouth everything VMS instead of seeing it
> for yourself.  

OK, I read the ad.  First, it is not a government job at all.  It is,
yet again, some two-bit contractor.  

> 
>    Will be implementing HP Blades Servers using Open VMS at DoD 
>    hospitals throughout the US.  

Do you just believe everything you read on the INTERNET?  There is no
such thing as a "DOD Hospital".  The Army runs its own.  The Air Force
runs its own.  And the Navy runs its own.  And they all have their own
procedures and probably their own choice of OS and software.  And then
you have the VA.

So, point me at one "DOD Hospital".  Anyone, anywhere.  A Hospital run
directly by the Department of Defense.


>                                 Train hospital staff on the 
>    tasks of installing, and monitoring.  Develop monitoring 
>    tools, utility scripts, and benchmark new technologies. 
>    Requirements  Must have Open VMS experience. Must have 
>    experience with either Digital, Compaq or HP hardware 
>    products.  Open VMS experience is the key.  Must be able to 
>    travel 75% of the time Schedule  Will fly out on Wednesday, 
>    work Thursday-Sunday and fly back on Monday (40 hours)  When 
>    not traveling, they will work out of the SD office Clearance 
>    Must be clearable (ADP 2 is the lowest level)
> 
> OK... NOW, click [APPLY FOR JOB]

ADP 2 is not a clearance it is a certification.

> 
> 
>    Note: Job seeker registration on ClearanceJobs.com is 
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>    clearance issued by the Federal government - no exceptions. 
>    Valid agency clearances include Dept of Defense, Dept of 
>    Energy, Dept of State, Dept of Homeland Security, or any of 
>    the intelligence agencies.
> 
>    Definitions:
>    Active - your present job requires use of a clearance
>    Current - you have had a job in the past two years that 
>              required use of a clearance
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> 
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>       required a clearance, DO NOT register
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> 

All boiler plate with tells me they probably have a contract (or are
hoping to win a contract) to do some kind of upgrade in hospitals run
by one of the services.  But not DOD directly as they state.

> 
> 
>>>                     Too bad.  Probably means that they'll get some wet
>>> blanket hiree from within that won't know or care about the VMS instal-
>>> lation.  
>>
>>Most of the ones I saw were being advertised outside of house which usually
>>means there are no in-house applicants (as they almost always get first
>>choice, just like any other employer).  Still means the liklihood of getting
>>anyone VMS savvy is slim.  Especially when not one of the jobs includes any
>>mention of VMS.
> 
> READ!

I did.  It looks, typically, like the guy writting the ad actually knew
only general information and just stuffed the ad with boilerplate. Oh,
and just for general information, jobs within DOD tend to attract hundreds
of applicants.  Asking for a security clearance by the contractor does
not necessarily mean the job will require one.  It is a real good way
to keep the number of applicants down to something manageable as you
are not likely to get many unemplyed people who have active security
clearances.  The fact that they cannot or will not get potential
employees a clearance when needed makes it look like they are little
more than a body shop.

> 
> 
>>Of course, a search of all IT jobs at USJOBS.GOV (there are currently about
>>660)with the keyword "VMS" finds only one match.  That's at DISA in Arlington,
>>VA and it is not the VMS you're thinking of, it is DISA's Vulnerability
>>Managment System.
>>
>>>          Just another gov't robot job.
>>
>>I have spent many years working with the government and there are more
>>"robots" among the contractor personnel than among the goverment employees.
>>(like the Harris HF Radio "expert" I spoke with this past August who did
>>not know what the term "modes of emmisions" meant!)
> 
> You don't get it because you don't want to.

Oh, I get it.  I have a very firm grasp on the job market, including VMS.
I just know better than to expect to find them popping out all over the
place especially where the government is involved.  I have worked with or
directly for DOD for over 40 years.  Over 30 of that directly related to
Information Systems.  I saw some of the first VMS systems to come into
DOD and I know where some of the remaining ones are.  Anyone who is
planning on some unspecified "government requirement" to keep VMS alive
is going to be very sadly disappointed.

bill

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