[Info-vax] Not all HP jobs have gone to India!

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In article <iboglk$4u6$1 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
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>You'd loose that bet. I don't even live in Scandinavia anymore. Live in 
>Switzerland nowadays. Was in the US last time in June.
>
>>
>> The telco and internet market in the US has to cover a SIGNIFICANTLY
>> LARGER area than in most other countries.  According to Arne's links,
>> you should be shitting on Switzerland.
>
>You should have read Arne's links a little better. The area is bigger, 
>and the population is larger.
>The population density in Scandinavia is in fact significantly lower 
>than in the US.

Scandanavia is bigger than the US?  

~820K sq km is bigger than ~9.8M sq km?  (contiguous states 8M sq km)



>Jeez. Couldn't you atleast have finished reading the sentence? That was 
>a seriously short attention span...
>
>> Mine is 100mbps @ $100/month or 1mbps @ $1/month  which is SIGNIFICANTLY
>> cheaper than the Arne's chart's 1mbps @ $3.33/month.
>
>Aren's links was to the state in 2007.
>As I pointed out, if you had just read 10 words more, the price in 
>Sweden equates to about $40. Which is significantly cheaper than the US.
>And that was without even trying to hunt for a good deal.

With a block of static IPs???  My rate includes a cisco router; in fact,
I got 2 in the deal.

Show me a cost table with rates and static IP and equipment.

One of my good friends (spent a week in my home this Spring) lives in the
south of England (Romsey).  He has stated to me that he couldn't get any-
where near the bandwidth for the prices we pay here in the states.  Maybe
you and JF need to bark at the Unicorn and the Lion instead of at the Bald
Eagle?



>You are in fact a little behind Swizerland now (continuing to slip, as 
>the report Arne referred to mentions was already ongoing in 2007).
>I just the last month received the new offer from Cablecom in 
>Switzerland, where I can now get 100 Mb/s for CHF 85, which pretty much 
>translates to $85.

With a block of static IPs???



>>> and good regulations. That translates to less than $40. (And actually,
>>> that was just looking at the first ISP that popped into my mind:
>>> Bredbandsbolaget, if I start hunting around, I might be able to find it
>>> even cheaper.)
>>>
>>> And don't even get me started on mobile phones, or broadband access
>>> through the mobile phone...
>>
>> I love my Sprint EVDO.  I traveled 2 summers ago across Pennsylvania (a
>> 400 mile trek from my door) through 6 mountain tunnels averaging 1 mile
>> and listening to 128K streaming radio and I never missed a beat.  That
>> I get for $60/month!  Worth it for the convenience of ubiquitous access.
>
>Do you think that's impressive? I'm used to have about 3 Mb/s on my 
>mobile phone. (Switzerland is really depressing.) And access just 
>anywhere I go, not just following highways.

Last download rate test turned in about 5mpbs.  What is impressive is that
I can drive and not lose ANY service.  You can't drive that far and stay in
the same country.



>> Most places here in the US now have free internet access (even the cable
>> cos have put up wireless access and, if you have an account, you get the
>> wireless access).  When traveling Europe, I have to pay about $24/day to
>> have internet access.  That's a deal???  NOT!  $24/day * 30days/month is
>> $720/month... that my good man is excessive!
>
>Well, you should inform yourself a bit more. I definitely could not get 
>free internet access in most places in the US. Not even in San 
>Fransisco, where I spent two weeks. The Hotel had internet access, but 
>it was so bad and slow it was a joke, not working a lot of the time. 

I engineered a radio show at a music festival last summer from the lounge
of a major chain hotel.  The idea was to tap into their existing internet.
Their wiring closet looked like it was put together by blind plumbers and
the entire hotel was still piped into an old DOCSIS-1 modem (a Motorola --
I may have its model number somewhere because I looked it up for specs).
Anyway, it was impossible to use this.  I wound up running an entire 3-day
show via my Sprint EVDO.  It was able to sustain a 192K 24bit push to the
replication servers with no losses.  Thus, hotels are NO gauge of internet
quality.  I don't use most as they have hundreds of guests all sharing a
single, more likely than not, NATted little pipe.  I also don't use them
after being robbed of $300.00 for hotel internet in Montreal 2 years ago.
So much for the $10/day -- it didn't apply if you stayed connected for the
entire stay.  Hotels are NOT in the internet biz; they're in the "provide
you with a bed for an exorbitant price" biz.

>And I had the Bay Bridge outside my window.

The Bay Bridge is nothing spectacular.  The Golden Gate is the much more
impressive view.  San Francisco, it IS an expensive city; everything there
is based upon supporting (or hiding) its itinerant waifs.  Did you take a
pleasant evening stroll in its "tenderloin" while you where there? ;)  



>Going to the US is bad though, as they have created this wonderful 
>implied monopoly by using different incompatible frequencies and 
>technologies between all major carriers. So with my phone I can call 
>through AT&T or T-mobile, since they use GSM, but I can forget Sprint 
>which are stupid enough to run a totally different system.
>But if I then want to surf, ST&T and T-mobile use different frequencies, 
>and manufacturers can't make phones that talk on both of those 
>frequencies, with AT&T appearantly being the big headache, so people 
>from just about anywhere in the world outside of the US have handsets 
>that can only talk with all operators outside the US, and only T-mobile 
>in the US.

Believe what you believe.  The wife's quadband works here and there (.EU)
and everywhere;  I don't use phones, let alone a cell phone... I hate the
fucking things.



>And I won't even start talking about what the costs are...

Hmm... I have 3G (and now 4G)... from Wiki (because I'm not hung up on all
of the mobile phone jargon and technologies but if you'd like, I can ask a
good friend and chief engineer at Quaalcom to comment here)


   3G
   From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

   International Mobile Telecommunications-2000 (IMT2000), 
   ---------------------------------------------
   better known as 3G or 3rd Generation, is a generation of
   standards for mobile phones and mobile telecommunications 
   ---------
   services fulfilling specifications by the International 
                                             -------------
   Telecommunication Union.
   -----------------------
   :
   :

   * the CDMA2000 system, first offered in 2002, 
   standardized by 3GPP2, used especially in North America and 
   South Korea, sharing infrastructure with the IS-95 2G 
   standard. The cell phones are typically CDMA2000 and IS-95 
   hybrids. The latest release EVDO Rev B offers peak rates of 
   14.7 Mbit/s downstreams.
---^^^^^^^^^^^



>Yeah, the US really rocks! It's not even a question of costs for 
>foreigners coming to the US, it is basically a scenario of "you'll be 
>lucky if it works at all".

We should adopt your .EU power connectors too, I suppose?



>I didn't know that JF perpetuated that the US was the Ultimate... I have 
>several other candidates for that one, which I think qualify much better 
>than the US. The US is a really nice place, but this is an area where 
>your non-regulation and corporation dictated politics have hurt you a 
>lot, and continue to do so.

You don't read JF's posts?  I should probably stop too.  His constant anti-
US doggerel is very biased and insulting.



>No matter how many guns you wave, the US telco and ISP business will not 
>improve. They will however be very happy if you continue to think that 
>all is dandy.

Nice dodge.



NONE of the, of course, has ANYTHING to do with the topic, HP, or VMS.  It
was merely another hijacking of the newsgroup by JF to espouse US hatred.

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