[Info-vax] vms base priority watch

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

pcoviello at gmail.com wrote 2011-07-11 19:57:
> On Jul 11, 1:42 pm, Jan-Erik Soderholm<jan-erik.soderh... at telia.com>
> wrote:
>> pcovie... at gmail.com wrote 2011-07-11 18:58:
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>>> On Jul 11, 12:01 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert"<rgilber... at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 7/11/2011 11:09 AM, pcovie... at gmail.com wrote:
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>>>>> On Jul 11, 10:43 am, "Richard B. Gilbert"<rgilber... at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/11/2011 9:46 AM, Bob Koehler wrote:
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>>>>>>> In article<1f612927-5e98-44e0-91e2-d889916c4... at gh5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, "pcovie... at gmail.com"<pcovie... at gmail.com>        writes:
>>>>>>>> ok well. I did ask a yes/no question! me bad!  yes I understand the
>>>>>>>> non-prived user would not do this but... we have given users the
>>>>>>>> rights to do this early in the morning to get their jobs completed,
>>>>>>>> when there are less users on the system.
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>>>>>>>        If the system is otherwize idle at that time, that should have no affect.
>>>>>>>        If only some users get to do this in the ealy hours, then it's worth while.
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>>>>>>>        VMS does not delay lowpriorityprocesses just to make them take
>>>>>>>        longer, it there are no higherpriorityprocesses doing anything.
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>>>>>> I can recall occasions during which a job was getting 99 percent of the
>>>>>> CPU at PriorityOne.  The "hunt and peck" typists never noticed it!
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>>>>> thanks everyone,  I know it isn't the best solution, but as I said I
>>>>> just started the job and need to pick and choose what comes first...
>>>>> thinking about this some more and doing some digging I thought
>>>>> accounting would tell you who might have issued a command?   after a
>>>>> year some things are still fuzzy, so haven't come up with anything
>>>>> yet, but I'm wondering as someone pointed out that what if they hit
>>>>> the time between the hour!  so it might be best to see if I can audit
>>>>> who issued the command and see what time?  any ideas?
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>>>> Accounting is not going to tell you who issued a command unless that
>>>> command created a process.  In Unix you can't blink without starting a
>>>> process or two.  Not so in VMS!
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>>>> Maybe you should back up a bit and define the problem you are trying to
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>>> I'm trying to figure out if anyone is raising the priority outside of
>>> allowed hours ...
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>>> thanks
>>> Paul
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>> And what is the problem if they do ?
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>> I guess that outside of "allowed hours" there are other users that would
>> be "hurt" if these users raised their prio, right ?
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>> And within "allowed hours" that is not the case. But then, if there is no
>> other users getting "hurt", there is no reason to raise the prio either !
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>> The whole point of raising the prio is that one *want* other processes
>> to get "hurt" by that (that is, runnig slower). If not, there is
>> no point in it.
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>> As many others have said, raising the prio on an otherwise idle system
>> will not make anything run faster...
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>> Can it be that the mix of batch/interactive users are different ?
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>> Jan-Erik.- Hide quoted text -
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> as I'm told if they don't raise it in the morning for these reports it
> will take hours and if they do maybe a half hour.. and during business
> hours we are running 12 cpu's at 100% each...I am looking at creating
> a 3 node cluster splitting the users among the 2 8640's and reports
> off the 3rd 2660 so we won't/shouldn't have this issue...
>
> thanks
> Paul

OK. And we should assume that everything else has been done
to fasten up the reports ? Or to start the reports maybe an
hour earlier in the morning then today ?

Are these batch-reports ? On batch queues you can adjust the
defualt-prio as you like. Such as at specific times of day.

Jan-Erik.