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[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

Johnny Billquist wrote 2011-11-28 13:21:
> On 2011-11-28 12.33, Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
>> AEF wrote 2011-11-28 12:18:
>>> On Nov 28, 6:00 am, Jan-Erik Soderholm<jan-erik.soderh... at telia.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> AEF wrote 2011-11-28 11:40:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, how's that Euro working out?
>>>>
>>>>> AEF
>>>>
>>>> For those dumb enough to actualy use/have the Euro there are
>>>> some troubles at the moment. Personaly I couldn't care less.
>>>> To me it's just another "foreign currency".
>>>
>>>
>>> _Some_ troubles? How about bankrupting member countries and wreaking
>>> havoc with markets around the world? Riots in Greece? Yep, troubles
>>> all right.
>>
>> That says more about Greece as such then the Euro.
>>
>>>
>>> Well, you _were_ defending it last round.
>>>
>>
>> Can't be possible. I voted "NO" to the Euro when Sweden voted.
>> I just can't have spoken *for* the Euro.
>>
>> It must have been something else. Maybe you are thinking about when
>> we discussed the 70's style US bank system still using paper checks ?
>>
>> Anyway, I have definitely never defended the Euro.
>
> You know, Jan-Erik, this might also be a good time to point out that Sweden
> do not use the Euro... Some people might not know that not all EU countries
> are Euro countries.

I guess many also have difficulties seeing the difference between EU
("European Union") and the EMU ("Economic and Monetary Union of the
European Union").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_and_Monetary_Union_of_the_European_Union


> The list consists of (as far as I can remember): Sweden, Denmark, England.

England and Denmark are not members of the EMU at all.
Sweden is, partly, but is not using the Euro.

>
> There are probably some "new" EU countries who don't have the Euro, but
> still want to get it, and who are in the process of applying (although they
> might have changed their minds now).
>
> But the above three are the "old" EU countries that I can recall, which
> have decided to stay out of the Euro.
>
> Denmark and England both have a clause in their EU membership conditions
> stating that they are allowed to stay out of the Euro. Sweden just invented
> saying "no" (after a referendum) when the question was popped. Very
> upsetting to the EU, and I think EU still haven't figured out how to
> classify Sweden in this regard. Sweden is one (of a very few) countries who
> actually fulfill the conditions for converting to the euro,

Yes, in in the case of Greece, they falsified their national depts :

 > Up until 1995, Greece recorded very high deficits, for some years above
 > 10% of GDP. Then it miraculously melted down. In 2000, given a deficit
 > below 3% of GDP, Greece was accepted as the 12th member of the European
 > monetary union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Financial_Audit,_2004