[Info-vax] HP stopping VMS paper documentation ?

[Richard B. Gilbert]

On 11/28/2011 5:45 AM, AEF wrote:
> On Nov 28, 5:36 am, Alan Feldman<alanfeldma... at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 10:44 pm, Michael Kraemer<M.Krae... at gsi.de>  wrote:
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>>> Neil Rieck schrieb:
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>>>> Us too. As soon as electronic docs were available on CD-ROM (IIRC this
>>>> was 1998-1999) we stopped the paper docs. It was better for us (cuz
>>>> the stuff was searchable) and better for the planet.
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>>> Is there any evidence that usage of (recycling) paper does
>>> more damage to the planet at the bottom line than production
>>> (and disposal) of equivalent electronic devices?
>>> As far as I remember the production of an ordinary PC
>>> requires about a metric ton of raw material and quite
>>> a bit of energy. And it is thrown away after three years.
>>> Even recycling that stuff costs energy
>>> and requires poisonous chemicals.
>>> And all this should be more ecological than a few hundred
>>> sheets of paper? Hard to believe.
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>> Damage to the planet? OK, I know what you "mean".
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>> Grow some more trees, I say. Paper is a *renewable resource*! It's
>> also recyclable!
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>> Can you recycle your pdf files? I think not!
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>> Another problem (real) with pdf's is that they're hard to read and
>> Acrobat is a brain-dead program. Even Preview on the Mac has problems.
>> I recently was given a pdf by my boss (uh, "manager") to read. It
>> contained screenshots that were near impossible to read. I printed out
>> the whole document (several dozen pages!). Now I can actually read the
>> damn thing, screenshots and all.
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>> I think I read somewhere that all this "paper saving" doesn't really
>> do a smidgen's worth of good, and just makes tree-huggers feel good.
>> It may not have been "paper saving", maybe it was recycling -- I
>> forget. It was _some_ environmental-type thing.
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>> Another step toward unreadability is the new Word default font. The
>> spaces between words are barely visible. Obviously this was done by a
>> tree-hugger, surely to allow more print to fit on a page, and hence
>> less printed paper overall.
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>> AEF
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> ANOTHER problem with using "electronic manuals" is the following: I
> bought a digital camera a couple of years ago for a trip. The manual
> is a pdf! Now am I supposed to schlep a fricking laptop and
> accessories around on vacation? OK, it did come with a small printed
> "quick start" manual. But you get the idea. Yeah, I could print it
> myself, but it wouldn't be bound nicely; the pages would be harder to
> turn.
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> AEF

Don't tell us!  Tell the vendor that on-line documentation is not 
convenient for you and ask for a printed and bound manual!  If the 
vendor gives no satisfaction, find a different vendor for your next 
purchase!