[Info-vax] HP stopping VMS paper documentation ?

[AEF]

On Nov 28, 7:43 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net>
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> On 11/28/2011 5:45 AM, AEF wrote:
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> > On Nov 28, 5:36 am, Alan Feldman<alanfeldma... at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On Nov 24, 10:44 pm, Michael Kraemer<M.Krae... at gsi.de>  wrote:
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> >>> Neil Rieck schrieb:
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> >>>> Us too. As soon as electronic docs were available on CD-ROM (IIRC this
> >>>> was 1998-1999) we stopped the paper docs. It was better for us (cuz
> >>>> the stuff was searchable) and better for the planet.
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> >>> Is there any evidence that usage of (recycling) paper does
> >>> more damage to the planet at the bottom line than production
> >>> (and disposal) of equivalent electronic devices?
> >>> As far as I remember the production of an ordinary PC
> >>> requires about a metric ton of raw material and quite
> >>> a bit of energy. And it is thrown away after three years.
> >>> Even recycling that stuff costs energy
> >>> and requires poisonous chemicals.
> >>> And all this should be more ecological than a few hundred
> >>> sheets of paper? Hard to believe.
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> >> Damage to the planet? OK, I know what you "mean".
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> >> Grow some more trees, I say. Paper is a *renewable resource*! It's
> >> also recyclable!
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> >> Can you recycle your pdf files? I think not!
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> >> Another problem (real) with pdf's is that they're hard to read and
> >> Acrobat is a brain-dead program. Even Preview on the Mac has problems.
> >> I recently was given a pdf by my boss (uh, "manager") to read. It
> >> contained screenshots that were near impossible to read. I printed out
> >> the whole document (several dozen pages!). Now I can actually read the
> >> damn thing, screenshots and all.
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> >> I think I read somewhere that all this "paper saving" doesn't really
> >> do a smidgen's worth of good, and just makes tree-huggers feel good.
> >> It may not have been "paper saving", maybe it was recycling -- I
> >> forget. It was _some_ environmental-type thing.
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> >> Another step toward unreadability is the new Word default font. The
> >> spaces between words are barely visible. Obviously this was done by a
> >> tree-hugger, surely to allow more print to fit on a page, and hence
> >> less printed paper overall.
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> >> AEF
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> > ANOTHER problem with using "electronic manuals" is the following: I
> > bought a digital camera a couple of years ago for a trip. The manual
> > is a pdf! Now am I supposed to schlep a fricking laptop and
> > accessories around on vacation? OK, it did come with a small printed
> > "quick start" manual. But you get the idea. Yeah, I could print it
> > myself, but it wouldn't be bound nicely; the pages would be harder to
> > turn.
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> > AEF
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> Don't tell us!  Tell the vendor that on-line documentation is not
> convenient for you and ask for a printed and bound manual!  If the
> vendor gives no satisfaction, find a different vendor for your next
> purchase!

Just making a point of an advantage of a real printed manual; not
complaining to the group about it.

AEF