[Info-vax] HP stopping VMS paper documentation ?

[Richard B. Gilbert]

On 11/30/2011 9:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2011-12-01 01.12, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2011-11-30 20.24, AEF wrote:
>>> On Nov 30, 11:35 am, Johnny Billquist<b... at softjar.se> wrote:
>>>> On 2011-11-30 06.30, AEF wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 29, 6:52 pm, Fritz Wuehler
>>>>> <fr... at spamexpire-201111.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The U.S. is not bankrupt. It is still paying its bills, and can
>>>>>>>>> borrow
>>>>>>>>> at near zero percent interest rates. That is not bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>>>> It's bankrupt, morally and financially. But they make the laws and
>>>>>> twist
>>>>>> them and enforce them (or not, depending on if it is or isn't to
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> benefit) and they print the money, they don't have to admit it when
>>>>>> they're
>>>>>> bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>>> Can a bankrupt entity borrow money at near-zero percent interest?
>>>>
>>>> Google for "US BONDS INTEREST RATES".
>>>> It's nowhere near zero percent. Where did you get that idea?
>>>> Why would anyone want to loan out money without getting any interest?
>>>> That sounds like a loosing proposition.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>
>>> http://www.bankrate.com/rates/interest-rates/prime-rate.aspx
>>>
>>> The Fed funds rate is 0.25%. That's about as low as it can go. I'd
>>> call that near-zero. If you don't like that, how about "as low as it's
>>> ever been". This is not a sign of bankruptcy!
>>>
>>> If you consider this to be bankruptcy, then every entity on the planet
>>> is bankrupt.
>>
>> You do understand that this is not the rate the US government pays when
>> it loans, right?
>>
>> Once again. google for "US BONDS", which is what the US government uses

Your terminology appears confused.  The government seldom loans money. 
It is a frequent *borrower*.  The amount owed by the government is 
usually called "the national debt."


>> to loan money, and see what rates the US pays. What you, as a domestic
>> person pay in interest when taking a loan inside the country have almost
>> no bearing on the rates the government itself have to pay when loaning
>> money.
>>
>> The same is probably true in Greece. People with house loans inside
>> Greece is probably not paying the same rates as Greece itself have to
>> right now. At the moment, Greek bonds for 10 years sits at around 6%.
>>
>> US EE bonds (as an example) goes over 20 years, at which time the US
>> guarantees that you'll get double your money back. (You figure out what
>> the interest per year is for that, but it's definitely not zero, or near
>> zero.)
>> US I series bonds currently sit at 3.06%.
>>
>> You seem to exhibit a rather limited understanding of global economics,
>> but you make plenty of bold claims...
>
> By the way. I should point out that I'm not claiming the US is bankrupt.
> I'm just refuting silly claims like the US being able to borrow money at
> no interest, or that there aren't any problems in the US. They are in
> deep shit, but less so than some European countries... But also more so
> than some other European countries...
>
> Johnny