[Info-vax] Backing up scattered files

[Rich Jordan]

On Apr 5, 7:10 pm, David Froble <da... at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
> Rich Jordan wrote:
> > On Apr 5, 4:44 pm, koeh... at eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
> > Koehler) wrote:
> >> In article <d7723b86-6426-45ed-b01e-737076342... at o4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Rich Jordan <jor... at ccs4vms.com> writes:
>
> >>> On Apr 4, 3:32=A0pm, FrankS <sapie... at noesys.com> wrote:
> >>>> You'd be allowed to install a patch, but not a minor version change from =
> >>> v7.3 to v7.3-2? =A0That's kind of odd.
> >>> I believe so.  The site fell off support several years ago; the onsite
> >>> downloaded all the patches for the system (and has 7.3-2 media) but
> >>> never installed it; my understanding is that even though they were
> >>> under support when V7.3-2 was released (right to new versions, etc)
> >>> that the actual install had to take place while under support; legally
> >>> if they wanted to do it now they'd have to pay for an upgrade license
> >>> (which is not happening, no budget).
> >>    So tell them a mistake was made:  7.3-1 and 7.3-2 were actually just
> >>    collections of patches to 7.3.
>
> >>    My experience with DEC was:  once you paid for an upgrade, you could
> >>    run any version up to and including it.  I haven't read the commercial
> >>    licenses in years, but I'd be suprised if HP wanted money now for
> >>    something you paid for then.
>
> > I wouldn't be surprised, but I wonder how hard it would be to find the
> > person/department/contact at HP to actually _take_ the money and
> > provide the license... I still have never heard back about a link or
> > official contact for purchasing VMS media despite the kerfuffle I
> > caused.  Meg Whitman never responded either...
>
> > We'll research the license question; it may not be an issue as you
> > noted.  Still not likely to do an upgrade due to budget.  Going from
> > old memories that the 'right to new versions' contract item was in
> > force only during its paid duration, so if you failed to upgrade while
> > the clause was in force, you did not get to do so after termination
> > even if what you were upgrading to was available and covered while the
> > contract was in force.  As opposed to an actual new version update
> > license which was good 'forever' for the licensed version.   But I
> > don't remember who said it or if they were in a 'position to know' or
> > just spouting off; it was a long time ago.
>
> > Rich
>
> <steps on soapbox>
>
> In my opinion that's total nonsense.  If you had the "right to upgrade" at the time the
> particular version was available, then you have the right to use it, basically forever.
> If you didn't, then you'd have to desist from powering up the VMS system once you'd
> stopped paying for the "right to upgrade".  Even if you don't have the media, if you could
> get a copy, you'd still have the right to use it.
>
> <gets knocked off soapbox by HP>

I could very well be wrong on that, its just a recollection of what we
were told once long ago.  We're trying to find out for certain.