[Info-vax] Nice printers for OpenVMS?

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

David Froble wrote 2012-08-07 17:55:
> Dirk Munk wrote:
>> JF Mezei wrote:
>>> In a proper democracy, I do not understand why citizens should have the
>>> right to bear arms and essentially riot with machine guns against their
>>> own elected government.
>>>
>>> Such debate cannot be held in the USA due to the NRA lobby.
>>>
>>> As was explained to me, the original intent of the right to bear arms
>>> was to allow citizens to defend themselves against either their won
>>> government or invading forces from Britain (this being the 100th
>>> anniversary of the war of 1812, it should be repeated that there have
>>> been wars between canada and USA).
>>>
>>> To the rest of the world, that amendment in the USA constitution is an
>>> anachronism and people are puzzled as to why the USA citizens are so
>>> adament to leave that in when at the end of the day, all it does is
>>> allow civilians to own guns for "recreational" purposes and has nothing
>>> to do with the original intents of the constitution. (especially when
>>> "recreational" includes turning video games into reality and going on a
>>> shooting spree in some public place).
>>>
>>
>> Sorry to have to say this, but sometimes I get the impression that half
>> the US population mentally is still living in the mid 19th century.
>
> Interesting observation.  Care to state any real facts to back it up?
>
> I get the impression that you might imagine a world without any violence.
> A lofty goal.  But most likely unreachable.
>
> Do you enjoy a steak, or even a burger?
>
> Suppose some foxes are coming up through the field after my cats, chickens,
> ducks, geese, and such.  Not that I want to hurt the foxes, but if it's
> between my domestic animals and the foxes, and the foxes are the aggressor,
> what should I do?  Go after them with a feather duster?
>
> Violence has been part of being human for a very long time now.  We haven't
> yet been able to outgrow it.  If you think you're beyond it, you're just
> lying to yourself.
>
> If you enjoy a burger, there has been violence done to the cow.  Perhaps
> you didn't do it directly, but by proxy, since your demand for the burger
> precipitated the violence.
>
> Or perhaps you're a vegetarian.  You may think there is no violence there,
> but the animals who would eat the growing crop have violence done to them.
> If not by you directly, then by proxy, because you want the food.
>
> Or perhaps some crazy towelhead decides to take the Koran literally, ie;
> "kill all infidels".  If you're not muslem, then you're a target.  Who
> protects you? Do you think they do so through non-violence?  Again, by
> proxy, you practice violence.
>
> You are just another violent person, attempting to pretend otherwise.  I
> think there is an English word for that.  Hypocrite ??

What a complete set of BS !

How on earth can you compare a cow with (legaly!) bying a semi-automatic
handgun and shooting people at a cinema (or in a Siek temple)...

Do you also use semi-automatic handguns to chase foxes ?