[Info-vax] DCL, was: Re: Microkernel

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In article <k0jk23$nou$1 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>On 2012-08-16 14:54, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> In article <k0h8lu$vqn$1 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>>> Maybe I should clarify that by "quick search and recall" I did not mean
>>> execution time to do the actual search, but how quick and convenient it
>>> is to access for a user. As such, typing whole commands, perhaps several
>>> commands, to do it, makes it cumbersome compared to just pressing a key
>>> or two, and have the whole process done for you in the current command line.
>>>
>>> 	Johnny
>>>
>>
>> OK.  So, put a wrapper around DCL.EXE and introduce your OWN ^R handler
>> to read in the recall buffer and provide editing.  Of course, a ^R has
>> been used as a screen refresh in a number of VMS products/utilities, so
>> you willl probably want to use some other control char.  You can still
>> specify your OWN CLI in your UAF record!
>
>Certainly doable. But that is another thing. We were (I thought) talking 
>about history preservation and use cases in DCL compared to shells like 
>bash. Some people questioned the need to preserve history between 
>sessions. I made a comment that without quick search and recall of the 
>command history, I don't see much point in preserving history between 
>sessions either, as it really only becomes useful (in my opinion) once 
>you can easily and quickly search and recall your command history. And 
>as (in my opinion) that does not exist in DCL, the need for history 
>preservation isn't that big either.
>
>Writing my own CLI for VMS does nothing for changing how DCL works, not 
>to mention the non-existing documentation for doing such a thing.

Who said write a CLI?  I merely suggested "augmentation" of DCL.



>Also, unless I remember wrong, tcsh (and I think bash) have already been 
>ported to VMS, so I can just as well just use them.
>They are not proper CLIs, though, if I understand things right, but just 
>user applications (quite like how they are under Unix).

Neither are implemented as a CLI; just user programs and they're a bit
of a kludge at that.

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