[Info-vax] Current VMS Usage Survey

["Gérard Calliet (pia-sofer)"]

Le 04/12/2013 10:00, Subcommandante XDelta a écrit :
> "Gérard Calliet (pia-sofer)":
>> Le 04/12/2013 05:38, JF Mezei a écrit :
>>> VMS is an antique OS that has been stagnant for many many years. Along
>>> the likes of Tru64, MPE, Data General's AOS/VS etc.
>>
>> With all the respect I must have with the ancestors, what are you doing
>> here, in comp.os.VMS, Sir ?
>> You want to shit VMS ? OK. Do it elsewhere, have a chair with Mister
>> Bill Gates.
>
> Now, now, Gerard, the inveterate grizzled veterans of comp.os.vms have
> been keeping watch for a decade or more, they've seen it all and
> discussed it all, over and over, reiterations on the announcement of the
> next chapter of major disappointment, chapter after chapter after chapter.
>
> Rage, anger, frustration, grief, sorrow, fatigue, rage fatigue, anger
> fatigue, sorrow and grief fatigue, even fatigue fatigue may have been
> experienced; some survival cynicism air-bages may also have inflated.
>
> Some, but not all, (I am not really thinking of anyone in particular)
> may have enchanted themselves, into a funk of apparent disempowerment,
> that there is nothing that can be done about the situation. It is just a
> bad-habit they have got into, if such comp.os.vms collegiates exist,
> they can talking their way, enchant their way out of that funk of
> apparent disempowerment, or perhaps they can be talked out of it,
> patiently and persistently.
>
> One thing is for certain, funked up or funked over, comp.os.vms is one
> of the greatest, if not the greatest concentration of decades of
> man-years experience of VMS on the Internet; no one lurks here or
> participates here, if they do not give a damn about VMS.
>
I'm just saying bitterness is not cleverness.

I hear here a lot of "you can't do anything, don't do anything, WE KNOW 
there is no thing to do". OK. So, all the "greatest man-years 
experience" is just able to say this sort of thing ? Is it for this sort 
of thing an usenet comp.os.vms exists ?

I agree about a lot of things said here, I understand bitternes, angry,...

But there is a sort of thing I cannot agree on. A peremptory way of 
analysing to conclude that we must not do anything. I hear behind this 
sort of talk a way of disallowing any sort of critic, and refusing any 
sort of innovation.

DEC and persons at DEC have been wrong, Compaq has been wrong, HP has 
been worse...

An what about us ?

There is a very slow acceptance and less than expected sells of Itanium. 
Yes, and mainly in the OpenVMS base. Who has cried about "Itanic" the 
most, who were willing to revange OUR Alpha ? WE did.

Unixes, Linuxes are at the top, we are at the bottom. Yes. Who looked 
down on these Berkeley-with-flowers-in-the-beard OS for dummies ? Who 
disregarded progression of ip, internet ? We did.

Oracle and his java trillion of devices is at he top, more than 50% of 
funny applications are in java, and our "antique OS" is not so simple to 
use in the context ? Who shited Java the most ? We did.

There are big Open Sources communities. If there is here more than 
hundred of readers, it is a maximum. But we were for a long time 
thinking about Open Sources communities as the contrary of 
professionality. We were wrong.

Ok, ok, on all that points it is possible to argue. What I am saying is 
that we, as a community of professionals are able to do mistakes, and 
perhaps we did. A bitterness only talk is a way of not thinking about 
our mistakes.

The biggest, I think, is not being able to do things without mama HP, 
and crying when she doesn't do the wright things.