[Info-vax] Current VMS Usage Survey

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <529fb5ba$0$2142$426a74cc at news.free.fr>,
	"Gérard Calliet (pia-sofer)"   <gerard.calliet at pia-sofer.fr> writes:
> Le 04/12/2013 19:30, Bill Gunshannon a écrit :
>> In article <529f684b$0$2042$426a74cc at news.free.fr>,
>> 	"Gérard Calliet (pia-sofer)"   <gerard.calliet at pia-sofer.fr> writes:
>>> Le 04/12/2013 17:17, Bill Gunshannon a écrit :
>>>> It is certainly not that "we must not do anything" as much as you can
>>>> do nothing.  You don't own it.  You don't control it.  If HP is not
>>>> willing to keep it going, it will die.
>>
>> And people wonder why no one takes c.o.v denizens seriously....
>>
>>> Ok. I heard about USA as a free country, and liberal economics as
>>> freedom bases.
>>>
>>
>> Certainly.  But, apparently you have a totally different understanding of
>> what that means than the rest of the world.
>>
>>> So.
>>>
>>> About 4000 customers around te world saying "our supplier is a dumb".
>>
>> 4000 customers in an industry with probably more than 400,000,000
>> customers?  Insignificant.  It is even insignificant if you only
>> looked at the US.
>>
>>> Two or three free analysts saying "this decision is a bug".
>>
>> Not sure what a "free analyst" is but unless your paying him to say
>> it none is likely to write anything good about VMS.  Analysts don't
>> follow the rants of people out of touch with reality, they follow
>> real trends in business.
>>
>>>                                                               About 100000
>>> users saying we think about our security.
>>
>> As has been pointed out, VMS didn't have the security market cornered.
>> And 100000 users is still insignificant in a business with  several
>> hundred million users.
>>
>>>                                            About 1 article in the "wall
>>> street journal" saying "hum, HP stake-holders have buyed the wrong
>>> action, buy Oracle actions".
>>
>> Why on earth would they say that?
>>
>>>                               One big thinker saying "cloud" is a risk,
>>> and is not the same thing as mission critical... One political analyst
>>> saying "Obama choosed the wring IT manager" (oups ! I don't know
>>> anything about US politicals, forget it !)....
>>
>> Apparently don't know a lot about a lot of things.  But, lets continue...
>>
>>>
>>> In a free country, with free customers and free market, it is not
>>> possible to act against twenty dumb managers ?
>>
>> Sure it is.  Start your own company and compete against them.  But
>> you don't own VMS and have no say in what its owners want to do with
>> it.  That's one of the tihings that "free" means.  HP is "free" to
>> do whatever it wants with its property regardless of what you think.
>>
>>>                                                 The very name of HP DG is
>>> not Meg Withman, but Joseph Staline ?
>>
>> Huh?  Seems you are the one with Stalinist leanings.  You want to force
>> someone to meet your desires regarding the disposition of their property.
>>
>>>                                        Tell me about that, because I have
>>> to choose my next hollydays, and I thought USA was a good choice, and
>>> for now, I'm in uncertainity.
>>
>> So, let me get this straight, if Space Mountain is being run by a VAX
>> with VMS you won't be coming to Disneyland.
>>
>> bill
>>
> You say, her Doctor, I have to respect property.

First, I have never presented myself as a Doctor.  Second, I have never
presented myself as a Professor.  I am Sysadmin and have been since the
VAX was still the only processor that ran VMS.

> 
> The bug in your ideas is : VMS is not YOUR property. 

I have never said it was. Quite the contrary I have repeatedly stated
who owns it.  And that isn't some mythical VMS Community.

>                                                       You think about you 
> as "le dernier des mohicans", the last knower avout VMS, and the only 
> thing you can say is : VMS is dead.

I didn't say that, HP, the owners of VMS, did.

> 
> You speak about VMS as if it was yours.

See above.  I have never done that.

> 
> And somehow, you are wright. VMS is dying also because of "guru" like 
> you who were not able to transmit anything to new generations about VMS.

Actually, I did.  Even after my employers stopped caring.  I did until
I was ordered to get the last VMS boxes used for academic purposes out
of my labs and off University property.  At least I was able to keep
most of them out of the local landfill which is where they wanted them
to go.

> 
> And why were you so impotent in transmiting ? Because you think about 
> VMS as your (imaginary) property.

Stop being an idiot.

> 
> And about property issues, you are wright, her Doctor, VMS is not not 
> your property.
> 
> VMS cannt be the propoerty of guys who perfer him dead than in other hands.

On the contrary, it can be and it is.  HP owns it and HP has announced
its EOL.

> 
> I think - I hope, I am not sure - you are able to read something. Have a 
> look in bible at the Salomon judgment. In this story, herr Doctor, I 
> think you would be the bad mother.

I am  nothing but another one of the many who ran VMS systems for a
number of years.  I'm not its mother, its father or even its wet nurse.

> 
> You say I do not respect other ideas. 

Where did I say that?  I don't even know you.

>                                        And what about you ? Do you just 
> HEAR what is said ? I don't think so.

Yes, I hear what is said.  HP, the owner of VMS has announced its EOL.
It was announced loud and clear.

I suspect it is time to just let this drop as I fear your command of the
English language is not up to the task and I can assure my abilties with
French would prove no better.

bill

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