[Info-vax] [OT] Abbreviations, was: Re: Desperately Seeking OpenVMS ecosystem

["Gérard Calliet (pia-sofer)"]

Le 08/12/2013 13:39, Simon Clubley a écrit :
> On 2013-12-08, Gérard Calliet (pia-sofer) <gerard.calliet at pia-sofer.fr> wrote:
>>
>> I didn't know comp.os.vms was a club of retired embittered old men.
>
> I am not retired and I am not old.
>
> I also have enough experience with other environments, both as part of
> my job and as a result of my personal interests, to be able to inject a
> dose of reality when people talk about turning VMS into something
> which can recapture some markets.
>
>> Go on sleeping, apologies from the world of living.
>
> I am both awake and alive and intend to continue moving forward by using
> my experience to take good ideas from the past and keep them in mind
> when implementing new projects.
>
> However, I grew out of my trying to hold onto the past phase about 7 or 8
> years ago.
>
> Oh, and a core part of reliability is a engineering team which can be
> trusted to build something world class (like clustering was at the time).
> Please keep that in mind when considering the silently withdrawn patches
> as well as the other issues which have cropped up in recent times.
>
> The most viable way forward is to take the good ideas from VMS (such as
> a DLM/clustering) and implement them in new products.
>
> You are not going to be able to implement something in that way which
> relies on the core attributes of VMS, such as it's real time performance,
> but the real time market has _totally_ changed over the last couple of
> decades and what used to require a dedicated VMS type system is now
> done using far cheaper dedicated hardware and the VMS type systems now
> take on the role of monitor instead.
>
> And BTW, there have always been a vast range of real time tasks for which
> VMS was not suitable, even in it's heyday, so please keep that in mind.
>
> Simon.
>
What about existing systems in industry and other places which actually 
use VMS ?

Do you think I'm not aware of that the real time has changed ? Or that 
VMS has never been able of addressing all the problems ? Do you think I 
don't know about lesser and lesser competences at HP ?

I only try to do my job. There are lot of existing VMS system doing 
importants things. For them a port represents real risks. Keep it in 
mind, Simon.