[Info-vax] newVMS, was: Re: [OT] Abbreviations, was: Re: Desperately Seeking OpenVMS ecosystem

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <l888b0$hcj$1 at dont-email.me>,
	David Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> In article <f2f79535-2f78-4cab-9983-c8720a11079b at googlegroups.com>,
>> 	AEF <spamsink2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>>> On Sunday, December 8, 2013 4:49:47 PM UTC-5, johnwa... at yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> E.g. Vista was a bit of a hiccup for MS, and Windows 8 seems to be headed the 
>>>>
>>>> same way. Windows 7 hasn't exactly taken the world by storm. OK those are 
>>>>
>>>> client/desktop products, but desktops make a lot of money for the MS world 
>>>>
>>>> (which is much broader than just MS). Just how proven is a five-year-out 
>>>>
>>>> bet-the-business gamble on MS? And who can answer questions like that anyway?
>>> Just as a side comment, it seems that every other OS from MS sucks. OK, sucks 
>>> extra. Remember Windows ME? Then XP. Then Vista. Then Windows 7 (according to a 
>>> co-worker it's like XP, but with sucky sharing). Then Windows 8. So to maintain 
>>> the pattern, Win 95 would also suck donkey kong, while Win 98 would be "ok".
>>>
>>> AEF
>>>
>>> [...]
>> 
>> I keep seeing this "Vista sucked" stuff.  I don't get it.  I still have
>> two machines running Vista and see no reason to move them to anything
>> else.  They will probably remain Vista systems until the hardware they
>> run on dies.  Then I will have to decide wether or not to do another
>> Vista system as I will still have the licenses.
>> 
>> bill
>> 
> 
> Not sure what you're evaluating.  

I don't "evaluate" computers any more than I evaluate my hammers.  I use
it.  It sat on my desk at work from the release of Vista until I got
mobilized in 2009.  I took it with me during my mobilization and when I
went home it went home with me.  I have used it there daily ever since.
I also had a laptop that ran Vista but I took the disk out 9and stored it
for use later) and loaded a version of Linux on it when I was doing my
Linux Desktop research.  Both worked flawlessly all the time I used them
and the one still does.

>                                  For me, Vista sucks big time.  What I 
> look at is the ease, or lack, of doing any configuration stuff.  I truly 
> grow weary when I'm asked a dozen times if I REALLY want to do 
> something.  

Never been asked a dozen times.  But I do laugh at their question.  If I
didn't really want to do it, I wouldn't have started the process.  :-)

>             Just finding any networking settings is like looking for the 
> proverbial needle in the haystack.

Odd.  On my systems it is in the same place as on XP.  Control Panel>Network.

> 
> If you're thinking that I'm just some VMS dummy that cannot know 
> anything else, I will state that I had much less problem with every MS 
> OS prior to Vista.

Other than the stupid sidebar 9which can be turned off) I saw little if any
difference in Vista from either 2000 or XP.

> 
> I'm also less than thrilled with Windows 7, it only lasted a week before 
> I reverted to XP on the test system.  I'll confirm the networking 
> problems mentioned above.

Windows 7 was not something I was looking forward to, so, I don't use it.
Of course, I do have the advantage of being able to get any of the OSes
and licenses from the Academic Program.  I even have MSDOS 6.22.  :-)
Great for running things like Ersatz-11 now that I have started getting
rid of my real hardware.

bill

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