[Info-vax] How about RdB for x86 VMS?

[Simon Clubley]

On 2014-09-04, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot at vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-09-04 10:09, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Are there questions?  Sure.  Concerns?  Definitely.  Want answers?  
>> Stop fscking around in comp.os.vms and contact VSI or the third-party 
>> vendor directly.
>
> The discussions here won't force VSI to answer here. But they give VSI
> an idea of the types of questions/priorities that people attending may have.
>
> In other words, by looking at comp.os.vms, VSI can prepare itself for
> every possible question that could be asked during the upcoming events
> and if they cove most of these questions then a lot of people will be
> satisfied.
>

_Exactly._

We can be annoying here in c.o.v, but the people here want this to
succeed. It's just that some of us have major concerns about the
viability (both technical and marketplace) about what is being
offered.

So far, the questions I have seen have been reasonable ones to ask
and VSI can gather quite a bit of information by seeing how much
interest there is in each specific question asked.

>> maps and support statements, but most end-users will want to see and 
>> feel and touch the release and the hardware (circa 2018) before you
>
> I though x86 was to be circa 2016 ? (which would mean developpers would
> start porting mid to late 2015 based on early incomplete beta releases).

2018 sounds about right.

You really are looking at ~3 years minimum from today before VMS is
ready to ship on x86-64. There's no way there will be early incomplete
VMS x86-64 developer kits 12 months from now.

(For example, you can't compare how long it takes to port Linux with how
long it's going to take to port VMS.)

And yes, 3 years is an eternity which is why there needs to be specific
information made available which is good enough to convince people,
here in 2015, to delay any porting efforts.

That's criticial because once they actually start a port (instead of
just planning one), you have lost them as a future VMS customer.
Just _saying_ "we will have something shipping in 3 years" isn't good
enough. You need to convince people with credible and solid evidence
to back this up and which they can take to their bosses.

Simon.

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