[Info-vax] DCL's flaws (both scripting and UI)

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

David Froble skrev den 2015-01-20 15:50:
> Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
>> David Froble skrev den 2015-01-20 14:26:
>>> Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
>>>> David Froble skrev den 2015-01-20 09:13:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I also have libraries of routines to do things.  If I have libraries in
>>>>> Basic that match the libraries in say Python, then what's the major
>>>>> difference between the environments?  I suggest it's very little.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't your Basic need a compiler? And if so, do you have
>>>> a compiler on every system? Or do you need to build your
>>>> quick-fix one-of-the-kind tool on some other system first?
>>>>
>>>> With Python you get a fast edit/test/edit/test cycle.
>>>> With Basic ou get edit/compile/copy/test/edit/compile/copy/test.
>>>>
>>>> That is, if your Basic compiler is on another system.
>>>>
>>>> Jan-Erik.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Basic compiler on all systems.  And if not, with DECnet and FAL, it doesn't
>>> matter.  I can even execute the image sitting on a dev system on say a
>>> production system over the network.  Well, if same architecture.
>>>
>>> But, for us, the production system has the compiler, so no issue.
>>
>> I guess that "but, for us" is the key here... :-)
>>
>> Anyway, I can't see getting a Basic compiler is the general
>> answer to having something to complement DCL.
>
> What about Cobol?

Yes, I'm using Python for many tasks where the former guy would have
spent more time to hack together a Cobol application. Progress.

All our main applications uses Cobol and all new *application*
development uses Cobol. But that is not what we are talking
about here, right?

I'm not talking about Python replacing Cobol, but Python
complementing DCL.


>
> I'm not saying it has to be Basic.  I'm saying there are existing
> alternatives.

Agree. And Python is a good complement to DCL.

>
> I'm thinking that some or all of the compilers should be bundled with VMS.
> Better chance of including them in a support contract.

Doesn't matter. What matter is how it is today.

Jan-Erik.