[Info-vax] OpenVMS training - now in VSI's hands (?)

[dodecahedron99 at gmail.com]

On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 2:21:12 PM UTC+11, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 15-03-13 21:49, dodecahedron99 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > Youtube seminars
> > ----------------
> > How about some youtube video training?
> > A picture represents 1000's words, so some unboxing type video's around perhaps getting (rest of long line deleted)
> 
> Of particular interest, it is possible to setup youtube videos so that
> the viewer pays for it with credit card. This would give VSI some
> revenues and metrics of how many people watch it.  (assuming reasonable
> price , or course).
> 
> Once could have the generic "user" level training could be internet
> based and widely available and priced moderately, while system
> management would be mroe personalised in real life and thus cost more.
> 
> If note, while Digital Equip Corp had worldwide offices are training
> facilitries, VSI doesn't. So if they get a new customer in Germany,
> should they be forced to send all employees to Sue's home or office for
> training, or should they be able to use modern training for generic
> staff and only send system managers for traditional training in
> Massassuchets ?
> 
> And if the price is high enough, it should include home cooked meals and
> Bead and Breakfast at Sue's place :-)

What an excellent suggestion (re: pay per view OpenVMS)

I don't know much about youtube to be honest but I believe they do have more of a corporate arm offering

When I get some time, I'll dig around and see what I can find

It's going to be tough going in the training space

We are up against linux with it's all for free model. Youtube has a wealth of windows videos out there as well as linux stuff, all free. Nothing formal and structured from what I can see

I'm sort of in a dilemma here. Where I work OpenVMS is being pushed out the door because no-one knows it and therefore no-one wants to promote it. I try but try as I might, I'm up against high costs for touching anything OpenVMS. They even balked at the cost when we virtualised an old 8400 on Charon 

Asking people to pay for training would get frowned upon in my area :-(

People just don't see the return on investment for training because it's not measured. How can you say if I attend VMS internals I'll be 15% more productive?

I remember the value I got from the courses I attended way back in the Digital days was not the manuals (although they were good at the time) nor the exercises but the real value was in being able to ask the tutor about our sites specific circumstances and to rub shoulders with others and find out what they were doing and how they were solving common problems - this is the real training value in my opinion. How do we harvest this????

What about training along the lines of say setting up and getting a webserver running to run wordpress etc

Training more in-line with industry use might be better value?

Business use training would be of more value to my organisation than learning specifics about the OS. The specifics are expected to be made available for free, out there, in the wider world where you Google something and get an answer

When I look at those whom I work with who look after unix, they are less and less experts in the OS which is not the front end and more and more applications support folk

In my organisation, people 'might' pay for "How to setup and use OpenVMS as a call logging center from opensource offerings - go to woe" but they sure as hell will not pay for "OpenVMS Systems manager 101"

The world has moved on from want to know about something to wanting to know how to use something to produce something else

Maybe others see something different, I sure would like to know others opinions, maybe my situation is unique and I have it all wrong?