[Info-vax] OpenVMS in the future, Open sourced or Closed? Intent is to keep it...

[clairgrant71 at gmail.com]

On Friday, May 8, 2015 at 12:37:20 AM UTC-4, David Froble wrote:
> Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
> > Paul Sture skrev den 2015-05-07 17:06:
> >> On 2015-05-07, David Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
> >>> seasoned_geek wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 3:05:56 AM UTC-5, Paul Sture wrote:
> >>>>> If the build process is as well documented as the rest of the VMS 
> >>>>> then I
> >>>>> would expect that someone competent with similar toolchains (and
> >>>>> obviously VMS itself) would be able to get there, though obviously not
> >>>>> as quickly as someone with direct experience of the build process.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was after all transferred to India and back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not so certain about that. While coding was sent there, I'm not
> >>>> so certain the full build process was being done there. This is HP we
> >>>> speak of. A company which announces they are getting out of the PC
> >>>> business without first finding a buyer for the division. Just because
> >>>> they "announced" development moved to India doesn't mean there wasn't
> >>>> some red headed step child chained in a basement somewhere in America
> >>>> forced to run nightly builds.
> >>>
> >>> Anyone who has been reading c.o.v for a while might remember the post by
> >>> VSI that they had people in India to get the VMS sources, build
> >>> commands, and such.  (Unless I dreamed the post)
> >>
> >> No you didn't dream it, David.
> >>
> >>> So, yes, it was happening in India ....
> >>
> >> Ayup, and to get there it must have left the US in the first place ;-)
> >>
> > 
> > I don't get it. What does borders/countries has to do with this?
> > Isn't it the quality of work that matters? I could not care
> > less *where* VMS is developed...
> > 
> > 
> 
> Read up thread.  That wasn't the issue.  A poster suggested that the 
> build procedures never left the USA.  I was just pointing out that the 
> procedures were indeed in India, according to the VSI post.

The HP VMS Team in India was given a near-impossible assignment. We sent them our entire lab - systems, disks, complete clusters, etc. and spent 2-3 years training them and many of them were/are excellent engineers. But, I agree, personnel turnover really hurt their efforts. I've always had great sympathy as well as respect for what they have done. It was hard enough being on the sending side of that transfer 6 years ago but I can only imagine what it was like to be on the receiving side.