[Info-vax] OSes

[Bill Cunningham]

"Stephen Hoffman" <seaohveh at hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote in message 
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> On 2016-01-17 19:19:29 +0000, Bill Cunningham said:
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>> "Stephen Hoffman" <seaohveh at hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>> On 2016-01-13 22:01:54 +0000, Bill Cunningham said:
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>>>> So then using simh you can get online through the MAC address interface 
>>>> but simh can't handle windows.
>>>
>>> That sentence is gibberish.   That reads rather like something from a 
>>> Markov chain text-generating bot.   Are you a bot, Bill?
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>>     I hope not. I am still not getting how to setup simh to allow X.
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> That's because you don't set up simh to allow X.   You set up OpenVMS on 
> the box, and you set up an X server to allow incoming connections on 
> whatever box you're using locally.   ssh then provides the connection 
> between the X client - the X application, in this case - running on 
> OpenVMS, and the local X server running the X display on your local 
> system.   Which X server are you using locally, Bill?   If your earlier 
> comments about using an unsupported version of Windows are what you're 
> using, then xming - that was discussed in the link above, but there are 
> other X11 servers for Windows - or using the Linux X server would be 
> typical.   You can test that ssh -X or ssh -Y connection out entirely 
> locally too, by getting your Linux box to display via X via ssh to your 
> preferred Windows box.   With that, you'll at least know the basics are 
> working, without working on a less-familiar platform over a remote network 
> link.
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>> Would it involve a set console command?
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> Nope.
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>> As you have said simh doesn't do windows.
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> simh doesn't support a graphics controller.  It's OpenVMS that does X. 
> OpenVMS can do remote X.
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>> X or decwindows that is.
>
> Same thing, for the purposes of your question.
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>> Others are appearing to say ssh can't be used here.
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> Odd.  Works just fine for most folks.   What went wrong when you tried it? 
> Any error messages?
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>> I was understanding it could.
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> Which ssh client and which X server are you using?
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>>  I'm rather confused here now.
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> I don't believe that, Bill.   Your questions here are quite astute.
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>> But then again I'm sarting with the users manual from a previous post you 
>> said to read.
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> None of which covers this topic, unfortunately.   The posting I linked 
> earlier would, but that's if you connected from your Linux system, or from 
> PuTTY or some other ssh add-on from your Windows system, assuming you have 
> an X server installed on Windows XP or whatever version of Windows you're 
> using.   Probably want to upgrade that Window box to something that's 
> supported and with patches, too.
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>> Maybe I should check elsewhere as you say infra.
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> Since you're a proponent of using the command line, how about using the 
> command line for a while on OpenVMS, until you become more familiar with 
> how OpenVMS and DCL works.   For command line management and operations - 
> which is largely how OpenVMS is managed and operated - there's usually 
> little or no advantage to remote X displays over using ssh directly - 
> without using X forwarding - and a whole lot of added overhead.
>
>
> BTW: Please have a look at the following web page, if you're not already 
> familiar with it:
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> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/bill_cunningham.html
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> I don't know if that posting is real, or is utterly specious, or maybe 
> whether somebody is trolling you.
>
> Do you have any comments on what's posted there?
>
> Thanks!

    Oh yes I don't normally install an X server. I use Fedora. So it's a 
pretty supported distro. ssh is installed but I don't know anything about it 
really. Never used it for anything.

Bill