[Info-vax] VMS Features I Wish Linux Had

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In article <njoior$lv7$4 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>On 2016-06-13 22:51, Bob Koehler wrote:
>> In article <njmdvo$vo0$1 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>>> On 2016-06-13 14:59, Bob Koehler wrote:
>>>> In article <njeel9$fq3$1 at dont-email.me>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw at qsl.net_work> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> One issue with the VMS terminal line editing is because it is handled in
>>>>> the driver, it does not have access to the filesystem to allow it to do
>>>>> filename completion.
>>>>
>>>>    Which belongs in the CLI, not the terminal driver.  The CLI should be
>>>>    doing it's own command line editing,instead of leaning on the limited
>>>>    editing in the driver.
>>>
>>> I don't agree. I want command line editing, no matter if I'm at the CLI,
>>> or in some user application. And I do not consider it to be a good
>>> system design that every program should include their own version of
>>> commmand line editing.
>>
>>    Putting editing into the CLI does not mean it has to be removed from
>>    the terminal driver.  But the terminal driver is a limited context
>>    and should only be used for limited purposes.
>
>True. One does not exclude the other. But I fail to see the benefit of 
>having both.
>
>>    I've got UNIX shells that will let me make use of most of the power
>>    of vi (oxymoron), or emacs.  I see no reason why all that should be
>>    in a driver.  But I also don't want a driver that provides only the
>>    functions of a card punch.
>
>I want that vi or emacs capability always, no matter what program or 
>context I am in, and not just at the CLI or shell. Which is the reason I 
>think it belongs in the driver. This functionality, in my mind, is not 
>tied to a specific application or environment. It's a functionality that 
>I want basically all the time, everywhere. Based on that, it's not hard 
>to see where it should go.

So, vi and or emacs aren't that special; it's the unix terminal driver that's
to be given all the credits.  ...wait for it... ...wait for it...  Hopefully,
the light comes on.

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