[Info-vax] MariaDB (Re: OT: what is old is new again?)

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

Den 2016-11-23 kl. 21:05, skrev David Froble:
> Neil Rieck wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 4:52:17 PM UTC-4, David Froble wrote:
>>> Craig A. Berry wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/16 1:48 PM, Neil Rieck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We're currently running MariaDB-5.5-25 which can outperform ISAM RMS
>>>>> They give it away but sell support
>>>>> contracts. But they do not offer something for OpenVMS which means we
>>>>> must rely on someone "to provide us with a build" or "do a build
>>>>> ourselves". Now I asked that single provider if he was willing to sell
>>>>> us a support contract and responded as not being interested in doing
>>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>>> So for me I can only see two options.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) develop a fallback strategy based upon Mimer
>>>>  >
>>>>> 2) hope that someone at VSI is considering doing a MariaDB build
>>>>
>>>> And of course "doing a build" would be of limited help with your
>>>> situation unless they were also going to offer support for it, right?
>>>>
>>>> At a TUD a few years ago, someone asked about OpenVMS Engineering
>>>> providing support for MySQL and the HP person present said, "Why do you
>>>> want us to do it?". Apparently that was a rhetorical question as he
>>>> didn't wait for an answer. It seemed pretty obvious to me that the
>>>> reason people want support for open source packages from the purveyor of
>>>> VMS is that no one else is offering it.
>>> Well, it seems like an opportunity to me.  For example, I believe it's
>>> Mark Berryman who is building MarieDB for VMS.  If VSI decided to
>>> distribute the product as part of VMS, and partnered with Mark to
>>> provide support, and made sure customers had easy methods of obtaining
>>> such support, ...
>>>
>>> The "vendor" would perhaps have a sufficient revenue stream from support
>>> to insure the resources for such support.
>>>
>>> Or, SQlite, or Postgre, or ...
>>>
>>> The key would be for VSI to pick one or more RDBMS products and make it
>>> happen.
>>
>> Let me second those remarks:
>>
>> First off, while I have been using Mark's port of MariaDB-5.5-25 since 2014,
> we have noticed a few issues. When you check the blogs most people say
> something
> like "Oh, that problem went away when we upgraded to MariaDB-10.1"
>>
>> I understand Mark works for a division of HP/HPE that is being outsourced so
> he is very busy doing work that results in putting food on the table. That
> said,
> with no version of MariaDB-10 on the horizon for OpenVMS, I have resorted to
> installing CentOS Linux on a nearby server, then installing MariaDB-10.1.19
> which we access from our OpenVMS development platform via the network.
> (think of
> this experiment as an alternative form of SAN; I did this only to see if our
> issues just went away, which they did)
>>
>> I'm not certain what the open source community did between MariaDB-5 and
> MariaDB-10 but everyone claims it is faster and we noticed this as well.
>
> Isn't that part of the reason for new versions, to fix problems?
>
>> We are at a point where 50% of our OpenVMS data still remains on RMS and we
> would like to move it to MariaDB but do not want to be trapped in a
> single-source situation. (which VSI could solve by including MariaDB with
> OpenVMS;
>
> Now, this is where people like me, third party vendors, get confused.
> Whether it's Mark, or someone else, or VSI, what's the difference?

Are you asking what the difference is between one single man and a
company of 100+ people?

Must be something I guess, since many do think there is a difference.