[Info-vax] What would you miss if DECnet got the chop? Was: "bad select 38" (OpenSSL on VMS)

[Hans Bachner]

Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) schrieb am 06.10.2016 um 21:17:
> In article <nt5jfk$563$1 at dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman
> <seaohveh at hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
>
>> DECnet and OSI are dead.  They're not coming back.

It's not coming back, but still around with many existing customers. 
Dropping DECnet V over IP as part of introducing VSI TCP/ IP would 
create two VMS islands for quite some customers - or let them run the HP 
IP stack for longer than desired. Most of my customers use DECnet V, 
many because of other OSI "speaking" equipment in their networks, and 
need the DECnet over IP functionality for obcvious reasons.

>> If VSI spends any
>> effort here around DECnet, let it be to continue what DEC started and
>> continue to encourage folks to move off of DECnet, and to spend the
>> networking effort on the protocols and approaches and infrastructure
>> (VCI 2.0, etc) that VSI can enhance and improve and support and update.
>>    To move forward to what is expected of a modern operating system and
>> its integrated networking support.  A future which is not based on
>> DECnet nor on OSI, but on IPv6.

No doubt about that, but you rarely start from scratch.

> I pretty much agree, but almost everyone who has moved from DECnet to
> TCPIP on VMS has found the DEC/Compaq/HP TCPIP to be not a very good
> product, not even compared to unix implementations, which is a pretty
> low bar.  A proper TCPIP should be a high priority, and it looks like
> VSI is moving in this direction.
>
> DECnet should remain, of course, but frozen like EDT.

According to what I recently read here in c.o.v (and heard at the boot 
camp), EDT is not frozen, but will get support for >24 lines :-)

Hans.