[Info-vax] The (now lost) future of Alpha.

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 08/06/2018 09:05 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 8/6/2018 6:27 PM, Chris wrote:
>> On 08/06/18 01:02, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2018 5:15 PM, Chris wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/18 19:16, Craig A. Berry wrote:
>>>>> But fopen, fwrite, fread, and fclose implemented in terms of open,
>>>>> write, read, and close, which are syscalls, not C library 
>>>>> functions. I'm
>>>>> not sure whether a compiler would be more likely to use stdio or unix
>>>>> I/O, but just wanted to point out that it might well use things 
>>>>> that are
>>>>> not in the C library. It doesn't matter as long as they are available,
>>>>> but it might play a role in what has to get done first when 
>>>>> implementing
>>>>> a new compiler on a new OS port.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but that's rubbish. These functions have been part of the
>>>> standard C library for decades. Check K&R or Harbison & Steele if
>>>> you doubt that. Have you any idea just how rich the C library is these
>>>> days ?. if you pert to new hardware or os, you just need  a slip layer
>>>> between the library functions and the underlying hardware, irrespective
>>>> of what hw drivers or file system is in use at lower layers..
>>>
>>> Maybe we should start by agreeing on what "standard" means.
>>>
>>> If we defined "standard" to mean ISO/IEC 9899:1999 or ISO/IEC 9899:2011,
>>> then I don't believe open/write/read/close are there.
>>>
>>> At least I can not find them in C11 chapter 7 or appendix B.
>>>
>>> I have never experienced a C environment that did not have them,
>>> but that is different from being standard.
>>>
>>> They may qualify as "de facto standard".
>>
>> Perhaps it did originally develop in an ad hoc fashion, but have the
>> 1988 edition of K&R in front of me and that has a whole appendix on
>> the standard C library, as does the first edition from 1979. If there
>> is a standard, then that book and the one from Harbison & Steele, "C,
>> a Reference Manual", are the primary definitions of it historically,
>> though i'm sure there will have been many changes since.
> 
> Not really.
> 
> K&R was the standard 1978 to 1989.
> 
> But since ANSI X3.159-1989 was published in 1989 then the ANSI/ISO
> standards has been the C standard.
> 

For some of us, K&R is still the standard for C and what6 ANSI
and ISO did was create a new language which should have had a
new name "D" was available.

bill