[Info-vax] Should VSI create a modern day VMS applications book ?

[Dave Froble]

On 8/21/2018 10:41 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 8/21/2018 9:50 PM, Kerry Main wrote:
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>>> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces at rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Arne Vajhøj
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>>> Sent: August 19, 2018 10:37 PM
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>>> Cc: Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Info-vax] Should VSI create a modern day VMS applications
>>> book ?
>>>
>>> On 8/19/2018 10:04 PM, Kerry Main wrote:
>>>>> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces at rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Simon
>>>>> Clubley
>>>>> Sent: August 19, 2018 8:07 PM
>>>>> On 2018-08-18, Kerry Main <kemain.nospam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DevOps needs to be defined because in most large enterprises I have
>>>>>> been in the last 10 years (including Federal Govt), this concept is
>>>>>> just a water cooler discussion topic. Integrating OPS and Developer
>>>>>> groups is just way to hard as they live in different worlds and
>>>>>> seldom discuss common strategies.
>>>>>
>>>>> The best typo I've ever seen for "DevOps" is "DevOops". :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that sums up very nicely the results if only you try to be
>>>>> buzzword compliant instead of actually implementing the concept.
>>>>
>>>> Those that try to implement the DevOps concept are either part of a
>>>> small office or have no experience in the culture of medium to large
>>>> IT environments.
>>>
>>> Companies known to use DevOps include:
>>>
>>> Walmart
>>> Target
>>> Norstrom
>>> Apple
>>> Starbucks
>>>
>>> United Airlines
>>> Hertz
>>>
>>> Amazon
>>> Facebook
>>> LinkedIn
>>> Netflix
>>> Sony Pictures
>>>
>>> Adobe
>>>
>>> GM Financial
>>> Rabobank
>>> Key Bank
>>> Fidelity Investments
>>>
>>> USCBP
>>> NASA
>>>
>>> I would think they have experience in the culture of large IT.
>
>> While there may be a few exceptions, many large companies state "they
>> are doing XYZ" (insert latest buzz word), but when one digs deeper,
>> you find it is only a very small component of their real Operations
>> environment that is actually doing this. In many cases, these
>> examples are POC's and/or pilot projects.
> Many on the above list has published details about what they do.
>
> So that does not seem to be the case.
>
>> Getting even 5 different App groups and Operations groups in the
>> same room for a meeting is a big challenge. Getting them all to agree
>> on a
>> common way of doing things is the equivalent of scaling Mt Everest.
>
> Maybe.
>
> But the companies that can change make money and those
> that are stuck in the old ways goes bankrupt.
>
> Arne
>
>

Ah, citation, please?  That's a rather interesting statement.  Not sure 
I'm believing it.