[Info-vax] RDB Question

[Dave Froble]

On 12/2/2018 5:45 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 3/12/2018 12:06 am, Dave Froble wrote:
>> On 12/2/2018 9:42 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 12/1/18 10:48 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>> On 12/1/2018 6:41 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2018 9:36 pm, Kerry Main wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces at rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>> Maher
>>>>>>> via Info-vax
>>>>>>> Sent: November 24, 2018 9:37 PM
>>>>>>> To: info-vax at rbnsn.com
>>>>>>> Cc: Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Info-vax] RDB Question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24/11/2018 9:20 am, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2018 9:59 AM, Kerry Main wrote:
>>>>>>>>> For future consideration:
>>>>>>>>> <http://sharksql.com/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pretty cool stuff ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very interesting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did they actually sell this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems to be similar to MS LINQ but just for C.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arne
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LINQ is a fucking desease! Designed for useless OO programmers who
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> know SQL or the importants of a properly designed DB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just like React/Reduct, Vue, Angular, Typescrip, Babel, JSX, etc
>>>>>>> are for
>>>>>>> wanker OO programmers who don't no the DOM, Javascript, HTMLS,
>>>>>>> and CSS
>>>>>>> :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Richard - I am curious to hear what you think about this:
>>>>>> <http://sharksql.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See presentation on capabilities under Documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kerry Main
>>>>>> Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds really good. My question is "Why?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to have if Oracle abandons VMS but that would be enough to
>>>>> kill VMS
>>>>> on its own.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like another who doesn't get out much.
>>>>
>>>> Richard, do you think everyone using VMS also uses Oracle?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Uh, Dave, Oracle is also the sole provider for RDB.  If they
>>> abandon VMS RDB goes the way of the dodo, too.
>>>
>>> bill
>>>
>>
>> It's my assumption that Richard was not talking about Rdb.
>>
>> VMS is the only user of Rdb.  To stop providing it for VMS means to
>> totally abandon the product.  Doesn't seem a wise move for what might
>> be a profitable product.  Not claiming Larry is wise, but, he's wise
>> enough to own an island in Hawaii.
>>
>> Regardless, I'll extend my question to Rdb.
>>
>> Does anyone think that everyone using VMS also uses Rdb?  Although, I
>> will stipulate that all Rdb users also use VMS.
>>
>> Just saying, I think Richard has some tunnel vision.  He uses Oracle,
>> therefore everyone must use Oracle.  It just ain't so.
>>
>>
>
> What are the choices? ISAM, Ingres, MySQL, StartupSHark
>
> Apart from Legacy ISAM apps, If I wanted to use a cheap DB I'd go the
> LAMP way.

First I'll say, I don't know of ALL of the choices.  But I'm sure there 
are more than you've listed.

If I were designing an application today, I'd most likely use a 
relational database product.  ISAM and such works, and can be fast for 
updates, but the RDBMS beats the s**t out of it for retrival.  Of 
course, it would depend on the application.

As for VMS, either a DB has it's own locking, or, would use the VMS DLM. 
  The DLM works in a cluster environment, which is a good feature.  I 
will admit that VMS clusters just may not be quite as valuable today as 
in the past.  The systems are much more capable today.

What I'm waiting to see is the persistent memory and memory updates in 
place.  That's going to be a major change.  Software to use such will 
need to be developed.  Database products will need to change, should 
they wish to use such capabilities.

It's going to be interesting, and, I expect to see some significant 
changes in storage products, databases and such.  Perhaps today's 
products won't survive.

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