[Info-vax] Development Tooling (was: Re: Opportunity for VSI?)

[Kerry Main]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces at rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Stephen
> Hoffman via Info-vax
> Sent: December 16, 2018 6:10 PM
> To: info-vax at rbnsn.com
> Cc: Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh at hoffmanlabs.invalid>
> Subject: Re: [Info-vax] Development Tooling (was: Re: Opportunity for
VSI?)
> 
> On 2018-12-16 21:59:08 +0000, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply said:
> 
> > I remember when people who didn't know VMS at all wanted to work on
> my
> > machine because the compilers were better.  Perhaps VSI can revive
> > that tradition.
> 
> You would like VSI to revive the tradition of random folks that want to
work
> on your machine?  Um, okay.
> 
> As you're almost certainly referencing compilers there, that's not been a
> product differentiator in recent years, and VSI will be using the LLVM
tool
> chain with the older front-ends for source compatibility on
> x86-64  And the LLVM diagnostics are at least competitive with the OpenVMS
> compilers.  If not better.  When combined with IDE integration, what's
> available is far beyond LSEDIT.  With a native LLVM port, there's room to
see
> other programming languages arrive on OpenVMS, too.
> 
> As for developer tooling, the scope and scale of the tooling and
frameworks
> available for and increasingly expected by developers is well beyond the
> compilers.  I'd certainly like to see VSI provide an IDE for OpenVMS.  One
far
> beyond LSEDIT.  But implementing a bespoke and feature-competitive IDE
> project for OpenVMS is very likely a project larger than the entirety of
VSI.
> As would be a new and bespoke and feature-competitive VSI compiler chain,
> were that even remotely a salable product differentiation.  And it's not.
> 
> You've indicated you're an EDT user.  Go try LSEDIT.  See how that changes
> your approach to source code development.  The keypad is that of EDT (or
> EDT keypad can be selected), so what's new is the command line interface
in
> the editor, and a few shortcuts such as ^F and ^G in the diagnostic review
> window after a COMPILE /REVIEW command.
> 

Or VSI can work with cross platform IDE companies like eCube and support
them with their industry standard eclipse offerings.

Available today. Compatible with CMS and other OpenVMS dev options.
"NXTware Remote makes remote agile development possible for OpenVMS,
Unix/Linux, and other operating systems from Windows or Linux workstations.
It simplifies remote development for C, C++, COBOL, BASIC, Pascal, FORTRAN
and Java developers, making them more productive."

See earlier links in previous reply for NXTware Remote options. Testimonial:
<https://youtu.be/j2kiRlXjZSM>
Extract - "The fact that NXTware Remote is based on Eclipse is important to
Cal. The company wanted a development platform that would improve their work
processes and code quality now and allow them to broaden their capabilities
in the future.

One of the most popular capabilities is NXTware Remote's ability to
integrate with the source code management system CMS. It was one of the
criteria that led Cal to choose NXTware Remote. Additionally, Cal simplified
and standardized COBOL, C, SQL, SQLMOD, IFDL, DCL, TDF, GDF and CDO
programing with NXTware Remote tools such as templates and code assist. Its
remote compilation, debugging capabilities and editors with tools for file
manipulation, search/retrieve, macros and code assist, modernizes the
development paradigm."


Regards,

Kerry Main
Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com