[Info-vax] Opportunity for VSI?

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 12/17/18 8:15 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/17/2018 9:59 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/16/18 10:30 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2018 10:06 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/18 8:33 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> On 12/16/2018 8:01 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>>                                                              But,
>>>>>> as previously stated, people like Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Raytheon,
>>>>>> General Dynamics and McDonnel-DOuglas do not use Monster or Indeed
>>>>>> to hire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Raytheon and General Dynamics jobs are on 
>>>>> Indeed!
>>>>
>>>> I know they are.  You obviously didn't read what I said before.
>>>> They get their "vacancies" by web scraping.  I even posted the
>>>> blurb from Lockheed-Martin that specifically stated they do not
>>>> use those sites and you must apply thru their own career page.
>>>
>>> But when the jobs are there then the job site gives a valid
>>> view of what they are looking for.
>>>
>>> How the jobs ads ended up there and where applicants has to apply
>>> is irrelevant for estimating demand.
>>
>> No, it doesn't.  The jobs are frequently out of date and only
>> reflect a small portion of what the company is actually looking
>> for.
> 
> Unless they treat different languages differently then it does
> not matter.

Language could be a factor.  They are looking for fast moving
jobs because that is how they make their money. Thus, they are
likely to search for all the latest buzzwords and COBOL and Fortran
are not currently popular buzzwords.

> 
>>      They only gfet what they get by web scrapping.  If their
>> parameters don's scrape Fortran, COBOL, Pascal, Ada, etc. their
>> numbers will reflect a mistaken notion of the demand for those
>> languages.
> 
> Ah - the hypothesis is that job ad crawlers skip ads for
> those languages.
> 
> If that is the case then the numbers would be misleading.
> 
> But it it is also one of these cases that warrant a tin
> foil hat.

No more than the notion that there are no COBOL jobs when I have
repeatedly pointed out places that employ large numbers of COBOL
programmers and are frequently hiring to replace people who are
leaving and even hiring for new positions.

> 
>>>>> And McDonnel-Douglas got bought by Boeing in 1997.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but they still show up, especially on sites like Indeed,
>>>> ZipRecruiter, CareerBuilders, etc.  Guess they didn't get the memo.
>>>
>>> I got no hits on Indeed.
>>
>> Funny, I just used Google and it found them.
> 
> You used Google to find them on Indeed but they do not show up
> using Indeed's own search.

Yeah, great search engines, huh?

> 
> Weird.
> 


McDonnell Douglas Careers and Employment | Indeed.com
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Mcdonnell-Douglas

Mcdonnell Douglas Aircraft Jobs - Apply Now | CareerBuilder
https://www.careerbuilder.com/jobs-mcdonnell-douglas-aircraft

I have not visited these sites because I really don't care.

bill