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[gérard Calliet]

Le 28/12/2018 à 14:45, Bill Gunshannon a écrit :
> On 12/27/18 10:04 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>> On 12/27/2018 8:12 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 12/27/18 11:14 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 12/27/2018 7:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>> On 12/26/18 9:42 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>>>> POSIX ended up being "everybody look and act like Unix".
>>>>>
>>>>> A standard was needed.  The majority of available Open Source
>>>>> Software was written for Unix/POSIX.  What would you have them
>>>>> do use the totally obscure and unknown VMS API as the basis
>>>>> for POSIX?
>>>>
>>>> I believe the "vendor neutral" aspect was more important
>>>> for POSIX than open source.
>>>>
>>>> POSIX is from 1988 and at the time open source as such
>>>> was not as dominant as now.
>>>>
>>>> It is actually 10 years before the term "open source" was defined.
>>>
>>> While the term open source may  not have been as common as it is
>>> now some of us have been working on open source projects since
>>> at least 1980.  comp.sources.unix comp.sources.misc comp.sources.sun
>>> And lets not forget vmsnet.sources
>>>
>>> bill
>>>
>>
>> One might suggest the DECUS library ...
>>
> 
> Yeah, that too.
> 
> One of the things that has always annoyed me terribly was this
> FSF notion that Stallman "invented" open source software.  All
> he really did was restrict something that was truly free before
> he got involved.
> 
> bill
What has been invented is more than open access to sources, but all a 
new way of thinking and determining copyrights, and with this and the 
ideas behind open source has been a huge business success.

I'm not a fanatic open source fighter, but I think we have to understand 
why they have been successfull when in the same time DEC was dying, 
althought there was alos strong ideas behind it.

Something based on strong ideas won in the west coast, and something 
based on strong ideas failed in the est coast. Perhaps we could think 
about it when we relaunch something in the est coast.

(I don't speak about IBM or MS, because their succeess are more based on 
pure structural business causes, and my purpose here is to think about 
relation between fundamental ideas and story of business computing).

Gérard Calliet