[Info-vax] VSI, was: Re: Ada on VMS, was: Re: Making the CRTL version dependency information useful

[gérard Calliet]

Le 17/01/2018 à 19:53, Simon Clubley a écrit :
> On 2018-01-17, gérard Calliet <gerard.calliet at pia-sofer.fr> wrote:
>> Le 17/01/2018 à 14:35, Simon Clubley a écrit :
>>> On 2018-01-17, gérard Calliet <gerard.calliet at pia-sofer.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We hoped we could get some help from VSI, but they think we are too
>>>> little (too "new", perhaps :) )to speak with them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did VSI tell you that or did they just not bother replying to your
>>> emails ? If it's the latter, don't read too much into it as that has
>>> apparently happened quite a bit in the past (based on comments here).
>> No, there are been a very long exchange with VSI, 2 presentations at
>> bootcamps, personal conversations. VSI wants a complete distribution, a
>> strong company for support, nothing like best efforts in an Open Source
>> alliance of consultants.
> 
> Well VSI may have their reasons for rejecting you, but this is a company
> which isn't exactly holding itself to their own public standards either.
> 
> This is a company which makes a really big deal out of CVE counts but
> when someone asks for a CVE number from VSI they are forced to ask
> VSI multiple times in order to try and get one.
> 
> The latest news is that a CVE number has finally been reserved but it
> looks like I am not yet allowed to know the number and have to wait for
> another email sometime this week.
> 
> What a mess. :-( If VSI respond in this way to the third party security
> researchers, VSI are going to get absolutely hammered. I hope that the
> changes Derrell appears to be trying to make means that CVE assignment
> by VSI is much more efficient in the future.
> 
> Oh, and I don't want anyone blaming Clair or Derrell for this. They
> do _NOT_ appear to be the problem here and it would be very unfair
> indeed to suggest otherwise.
> 
> In fact, I will say that Derrell is coming across as an excellent
> person on these issues and if the VSI management have any sense they
> will listen to him big time.
> 
> Simon.
> 
Thanks for the analysis. I think there is a general problem with VMS 
renewal. From Digital empire and VMS pride, talking one to one to the 
Big Companies, and MIT contempt to unixes craftmen, to a little startup 
having to use a business network, there is a gap. Big cultural issue.

And perhaps it's the same issue for the community herself. Perhaps we 
could imagine getting learning lessons from the successfull (because 
they have been pro-active) other communities.

But, times are going. I am sure the ecosystem will evolve.

(Don't speak now philosophy. I need help and pieces of advice for the 
Ada debug (in VMS style).
1) debug Ada
2) debug VMS ecosystem
My project :) )

Gérard Calliet