[Info-vax] Encrypted TCP/IP network printserver spooled printing for OpenVMS (secure-IPP?)

[DaveFroble]

Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 5/4/2018 10:44 PM, DaveFroble wrote:
>> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 5/4/2018 1:02 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> Stephen Hoffman  <seaohveh at hoffmanlabs.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Apple is one of the most heavily invested companies around.   DEC was
>>>>> once invested in creating new interconnects and new technology.  VAX,
>>>>> Ethernet, DECtalk, DECnet, etc.  Apple is large enough and with a 
>>>>> sales
>>>>> volume and revenues which allows them to design and build and ship
>>>>> products at a scale that the folks at DEC could only dream of, too.
>>>>> The Apple Arm cores, the T-series security chips, the use of seL4,
>>>>> then-new connectors such as lightning (and which still works better
>>>>> than the standardized USB-C), and software integration and frameworks,
>>>>> too.  DEC had a history in most or all of those same areas.  Where DEC
>>>>> differed then from Apple now was in user interface design skills 
>>>>> and in
>>>>> the ability to clearly communicate and to stay on message; DEC didn't
>>>>> do so well in those areas in later years.
>>>>
>>>> This is true.  The thing is, Apple wants to sell systems to end-users
>>>> directly, onsie-twosie.  They don't want to deal with big corporate
>>>> customers and so they don't build systems for big corporate customers.
>>>> They find a niche where they can do well, they make systems for it, and
>>>> they don't try and compete across the board with a full range of 
>>>> systems
>>>> that do everything the way DEC did.
>>>>
>>>> Apple doesn't sell servers like the X-Serve anymore.  They don't sell
>>>> machines with serial ports.  They don't sell lots of things.  Because
>>>> those things don't fit their business model.
>>>
>>> It is worth noting that their iPhone and iPad "niche" sells
>>> more than all server sales world wide.
>>
>> So what?  If they don't provide the tools you need, what do you care 
>> about their overpriced phones and tablets?
>>
>> What good is all the cars some mfg sells, if you need a truck, or 
>> airplane?
>>
>> Unless you got a big block of Apple stock ....
>>
>>> And that their profit per year in that "niche" is probably in the
>>> same magnitude as the profit for server sale for a decade.
>>
>> Perhaps fewer servers are required than phones?  So what?  When you 
>> need a server, you need a server, and all the phones in the world 
>> aren't going to help.
> 
> Not trying to say that there is no need for servers.
> 
> Just saying that money wise servers would be peanuts for Apple.
> 
> If there were enough money to be made, then they could come
> up with a business model for servers.
> 
> But if Apple compares the benefits of increasing iPhone
> sales with a few percent with going into a highly competitive
> server market, then the first is simply more
> interesting from a financial perspective.
> 
> We should probably start to think about servers as
> the niche market.

Servers have been the niche market for well over 20 years.

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