[Info-vax] OpenSSL CSWS-2.2-1

[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2019-04-08 19:26:13 +0000, Dave Froble said:

> On 4/8/2019 1:23 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>> On 2019-04-07 02:59:52 +0000, Craig A. Berry said:
>> 
>>> On 4/6/19 8:58 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>>>> So we have CSWS, which everybody obviously knows is a web server.
>>> 
>>> Not just a web server, but a secure web server from a company named 
>>> Compaq that never knew anything about servers or security.
>> 
>> CSWS, SWB, the oddly-named-and-why-are-these-even-separate Apache 
>> language modules, T4, etc.
>> Terms such as LP and "host-based volume shadowing", for that matter.  
>> LMF, PAKs, etc.
> 
> Host based mirroring might be a bit more understood, but volume 
> shadowing sure isn't all that mysterious.

Once you know to look for it—once you're aware of the jargon—sure.   
Host-based RAID-1 would be the typical jargon.  And jargon can and does 
change over time.

> LMF and PAKs should just go away.

That's up to VSI.

> Usually when a "challenge" is issued, there will be those who pick up 
> the gauntlet.  I figured at least two methods to get past the LMF.  No, 
> I'm not saying.  It wasn't to actually do so, just to answer the 
> challenge.
> 
> Thing is, and it's been said before, LMF isn't to stop piracy.  If 
> someone wants it, they will get it.  Just ask Bill Gates about the 
> Chinese.  So, all LMF does is harrass those who respect it.  Get VMS in 
> front of as many as possible.  Those who will purchase support will do 
> so.  Those who won't don't.  No real loss.

I'm not discussing bypassing LMF. I'm discussing simplifying the 
existing license management.

For many products, a licensee name and a checksum is enough.  There's a 
lot of baggage on OpenVMS left over from the era of each giblet being 
separately licensed, not the least of which is the design of LMF itself.

As for changing the licensing and support and pricing scheme?  That's 
the lifeblood of VSI, and there'll be resistance to anything that might 
negatively effect revenues.

And there are in-built sales and marketing assumptions carried over 
from the DEC era.

LMF was designed to be able to implement most any scheme that the 
pricing folks could conceive.  It's bloody brilliant for that, too.  
But LMF is an inward-facing design, and not a customer-facing one.


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