[Info-vax] Internationalization

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2019-01-02 kl. 15:47, skrev Bill Gunshannon:
> On 1/1/19 11:20 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>> On 1/1/2019 6:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>
>>> Like so many companies, Pr1me shot themselves in the foot.
>>> It might interest you to know there are still people running
>>> Pr1me 50 Series today, decades after the company disappeared.
>>
>> Ok, you just stuck your foot in your mouth.
>>
>> You've made many posts about time to move off VMS, for multiple reasons, 
> 
> I am not suggesting anyone move off of VMS.  I am merely trying to
> find out what made VMS so popular at a time when there were what
> appeared to be better options.  History has shown that for non-
> technical reasons they weren't, but that's another matter entirely.
> 
>> usually about the lack of current supported HW and SW. 
> 
> I have never said there was no SW support.  We all know there is.
> Hardware is another matter.  Two of the platforms that VMS runs
> on and that many people claim their business relies on are dead
> ends.  That, to me, is a serious risk to a business.  The fact
> that people are also saying they see no reason to move to X86-64
> VMS is unsettling to me...

When saying "people", are you refering to me? If so, *I* have never
said that I "see no reason to move to X86-64 VMS" (in general terms).

What I said was that *we* will probably not have enough life time left
in our VMS systems to motivate a x86-64 porting effort at the time when
the production release of x86-64 is available.

But, this is also highly dependable on another project (the MES system
that is planned to reaplace the VMS systems). Who known how that will
plane out? Maybe it is 50/50 that we will end up on VMS x86-64.

But, and I'm not sure you can understand, I'd be glad if you do not try
to make too wild interpretations of your won. Thanks.


> and I would have thought to others who
> would like to see VSI succeed and VMS continue to survive.
> 
>>                                                         I've got to ask, 
>> why do you think people should move off VMS, 
> 
> I don't think people should move off of VMS.  Not as long as it does
> the job and they take the necessary actions needed to not paint them-
> selves into a corner, like refusing to move to X86-64 VMS.

Again, I feel you are pointing in my direction here. If you do, please
be specific and do not post general views that point in all different
directions.

I don't know why, but you are the one that it is hardest to get to
understand, and then I'm known to be good at clear explanations.
Go figure...



> I have
> said many time lately that I would love to find places that need
> programmer support to keep those legacy applications running so I
> could work with them.  I also believe "If it ain't broke don't
> fix it".  But that has an additional codicil that you should prevent
> it from breaking if at all possible.
> 
>>                                               while you proudly make such 
>> references to people still running on a totally dead environment?
> 
> How is it any more dead than VMS?  Beyond the lack of hardware
> availability that is.  Software is still supported and the OS is
> still fully supported.  The hardware will run out before software
> and OS support does.
> 
>>
>> At least VMS has  VSI ...
> 
> And PRIMOS has the same thing. A non-related to the original company
> provider of full support, minus any attempt to move to newer hardware.
> Although, there is at least one emulator of the Pr1me 50 series out
> there.
> 
>>
>> And soon x86 ...
> 
> And I hope everyone moves to it. But a lot of people here have
> said lately that they see no reason to.

Instead of refering to "a lot of people", it might be easier if you
discuss specific questions someone have raised. It is impossible to
reply to your general posts. It surprice me that you can't do better.


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> bill
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