[Info-vax] Most popular application programming languages on VMS ?

[Dave Froble]

On 1/11/2019 8:43 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 1/11/19 8:18 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>> On 1/11/2019 5:15 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 1/11/2019 9:05 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 1/11/19 8:40 AM, John Reagan wrote:
>>>>> This isn't much different to posting photos online.  You retain
>>>>> copyright ownership even if you don't slap on some notice or
>>>>> overprint image.
>>>>
>>>> And, ignores the fact that just because I slap my
>>>> copyright on something and claim I own it does not
>>>> make it so.  And that has to be verified as well
>>>> before it can be used commercially.
>>>
>>> It is certainly a feasible scenario that someone
>>> submit some open source that the person do not
>>> own copyright on.
>>>
>>> It is also a feasible scenario that you
>>> hire someone to write some code and that
>>> person get some code from elsewhere
>>> without permission and claim it is
>>> original.
>>>
>>> And it is also a feasible scenario that
>>> you buy commercial binary software and
>>> the company has included software that
>>> it is not entitled to.
>>>
>>> You can only be 100% sure that such is not
>>> the case if you either write all code your
>>> self or watch somebody else write all
>>> the code.
>>>
>>> For less than 100% sure then taking open
>>> source that has been public announced among
>>> the domain experts is probably the least risky
>>> scenario in this regard, because the risk
>>> of getting caught is the highest.
>>
>>  From what I'm reading here, in the opinion of some, there can not be
>> any type of code that is considered "owned".  Can't trust anyone who
>> has written code, including employees, because they might have used,
>> or just read, copyrighted code.
>>
>> Not that it means a damn thing, but my opinion is "bullshit!"
>>
>> I once had an occasion to be sued for "stealing code".  Case when down
>> in flames when not one line of code could be found elsewhere.  Still,
>> had to get a lawyer involved, and that costs money.
>
> Exactly.  One can usually trust one's employees to not go out
> and find code elsewhere for their jobs because the penalty is
> immediate and final.  When code just wanders in off the street
> you would have to determine it's true nature before trying
> to use it.  That can cost time, effort and money.  Much easier
> to just not accept outside code.

Some things can be rather complex.  What about anyone's implementation 
of TCP/IP?  One thing I'm rather sure of, cause I had reason to find 
out, is that reverse engineering is legal.  Then the issue becomes, was 
some code "borrowed", or written from scratch.

Lawyers are con men.  All they want is an issue to argue, and then it 
comes down to how persuasive they can be.  No justice.  No "right" or 
"wrong".  Just winners and losers, however, the lawyers never lose, just 
their clients.




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