[Info-vax] User Interface Design, Implementation

[Richard Maher]

On 8/06/2019 7:37 am, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 6/7/2019 5:35 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
>> On 7/06/2019 8:54 am, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 6/6/2019 6:45 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
>>>> On 5/06/2019 6:59 am, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> There are probably way less GUI frameworks available on VMS than
>>>>> the more popular platforms.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if the GUI framework is available on VMS, then it should
>>>>> support MVC just as well as on any other OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Various Java frameworks (Swing, Struts 1, Struts 2, JSF, Spring MVC).
>>>>>
>>>>> Various PHP frameworks (Laravel, CodeIgniter, Symfony, ZF, CakePHP).
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe RoR and Grails would run as well.
>>>>
>>>> I and most others now use mvC or just "C"ontrollers for RESTful 
>>>> APIs. Any language could support this.
>>>
>>> Without M then I would consider it to be a very trivial application.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Please explain. JSON in, JSON out,
> 
> M in MVC represent/expose the business logic - the data and the rules in 
> the application.
> 
> No M (or equivalent of M in non-MVC context) means no data and no
> business rules.

Try looking at any PWA or SPA sans bloatware (React/Angular) and also 
reflect on why SOAP is dead.

The business rules are in the "business" layer and the data layer. The 
Controller and it's methods enforece the business rules.

> 
>>> But yes - no V - or you can say that V is moved to client tier.
>>>
>>> On the other hand some JS frameworks talk about full MVC client side:
>>> AngularJS, Ember etc..
>>
>> Can someone **please** explain to my why they would willing handicap a 
>> project with AngularJS React/Redux or Vue??????
>>
>> TypeScript, Node, NPM, Bootstrap, Babel transpiling/dumbing down your 
>> code to previous versions, Lint, LowDash, Wank . . .
>>
>> What do you perceive Angular, React, and Vue do for you? Apart from 
>> wreck your app's performance and team productivity.
>>
>> Turn on debug and just see how many unnecessary times your Render() 
>> method is called.
> 
> I don't think I have the experience to argue exactly what value those
> frameworks provide.

Evidently :-)

> 
> I can observe that the majority of client side developers use
> those frameworks.

Yes, and every job advertised wants them 'cos Gartner or some other dick 
lied to them that they were "modern" javascript Frameworks.

Long before PWAs and Custom Elements.

Facebook doesn't even use AngularJS on Apps that count and then blames 
the web for being too slow.

Like jQuery Angular/React's time has come and gone.

> 
> Arne