[Info-vax] Developing VMS applications on VMS or on Linux/Windows ?, was: Re: x86 Cross Tools Kit

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On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 8:35:18 PM UTC+2, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 2/27/19 9:49 AM, John Reagan wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 8:53:12 AM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> >> On 2019-02-27, gezelter at rlgsc.com <gezelter at rlgsc.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What is the notional niche for cross-development tools on non-OpenVMS
> >>> systems? The clear answer would seem to evangelism, but at this point
> >>> that does not make a lot of sense. At release, a far better alternative
> >>> would be to pre-package a system image(s) for use with one or more of
> >>> the virtual machine offerings for those who are new to OpenVMS.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The basic argument is that the development environment on something
> >> like Linux or Windows is far richer than the development environment
> >> on VMS and there is a lot of merit to that argument.
> >>
> >> The basic idea is that you treat VMS more as an embedded system and
> >> push binaries to the VMS system for actual testing and debugging and
> >> do the software development in the more richer Linux/Windows environment.
> >>
> >> The embedded system comparison is deliberate because embedded systems
> >> offer a whole range of unique capabilities not found on the development
> >> system but the embedded world takes advantage of the rich development
> >> environment offered by Linux/Windows/etc to develop those embedded
> >> systems.
> >>
> >> So the question is:
> >>
> >> Should VMS development continue on VMS, with its more limited
> >> development environment or should VMS be treated more as an
> >> embedded system and development done under the richer development
> >> environment on Linux/Windows ?
> >>
> >> You can argue this either way. What do the people here think ?
> >>
> >> Oh, and before someone says that means you need a second system
> >> for development, remember you are likely already using a second
> >> system to run your terminal emulator.
> >>
> >> Simon.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Simon Clubley, clubley at remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> >> Microsoft: Bringing you 1980s technology to a 21st century world
> > 
> > Well, Linus says that you can only develop for x86-servers from x86 platforms and that moving/porting/changing platforms is bad.  (I guess Apple was lucky? for their ports from MC68040->PPC->x86->ARM)
> > 
> > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/23/linus_torvalds_arm_x86_servers/
> > 
> 
> How many stupid things does he have to say before people finally
> accept that fact that he isn't the computer wizard some would
> have him be?  It is amazing where Linux has gone in spite of its
> origin and his control.
> 
> bill

No, what's Linus really said is not stupid, even if I personally disagree.
He is strongly in favor of the same or very similar platform for development and deployment, as most people in that posted in this thread.
Even El reg article itself is not too stupid despite author's partial misrepresentation and misunderstanding of Linus's postion.
What is really stupid is a headline of El Reg article.